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Old 03-16-2015, 07:58 PM   #21
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Forget what Andersen told me on the phone...here is the text in the email they sent:



We know that California, Texas and Indiana have safety chain requirements. Indiana safety chain laws are usually only enforced for commercial applications, but they informed us that if the hitch was a ball type, chains were required. Many states do not require the safety chains, which is why they are not included in the initial package (cutting out extra cost for the majority of customers).

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Old 03-16-2015, 09:19 PM   #22
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correction...again

here's the complete text from Andersen...


Safety Chains & the Ultimate Connection 5th Wheel Hitch…

We receive this question often and there is some grey area involved in the mandatory use of safety chains with our Ultimate 5th Wheel Hitch.


Our Ultimate Connection was tested, designed and passed the certification to be classified as a 5th wheel hitch – for which the vast majority of the laws in the United States only require the break-away switch to be used as the safety system needed. The only state that we are aware of with more specific laws is Indiana, which has written the law to state that any trailer coupled via a tow ball is required to use safety chains. We offer the safety chain set as part # 3230 to satisfy the cautious towing individuals and to appease the laws of Indiana and any other state that may have the same law that we are not aware of.
Safety Chains & the Ranch Hitch Adapter…
Do you need safety chains? If you plan on traveling cross country and you want to make sure you are in compliance with state laws that vary from one to the other then you should install safety chains.

We know that California, Texas and Indiana have safety chain requirements. Indiana safety chain laws are usually only enforced for commercial applications, but they informed us that if the hitch was a ball type, chains were required. Many states do not require the safety chains, which is why they are not included in the initial package (cutting out extra cost for the majority of customers)


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Old 03-16-2015, 09:27 PM   #23
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I would think the cantilevered adaptor would put extra stress on the pinbox. Does FR ok that?

XXXX 55. I took my goose adapter off. I was major scared of it. Common sense tells you it changes geometry.


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Old 03-17-2015, 09:00 AM   #24
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Safety chains, insurance, inspections, proper license, etc... One can decide to ignore these things and probably get away with it, unless you get in an accident. Then everything gets a very close examination by the legal authorities and one can end up in a major legal and expensive mess.
Not worth the risk to me.


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Old 03-17-2015, 09:32 AM   #25
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XXXX 55. I took my goose adapter off. I was major scared of it. Common sense tells you it changes geometry.
Everyone seems to neglect the additional torque it puts on the pinbox connection to the superstructure and the additional stress on the superstructure. I.E. a 1500# pin weight with the added 4" extension of the adaptor puts 1500 x 4/12=500 lb/ft of torque on the pb/ss. I would pass on it based on that alone.
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Thus far I love mine. Solid as a rock towing, easy hookup, the pyramid is light enough to easily set out of the bed and with the B&W turnover ball I have a flat floor. It's got a little rear offset that somewhat mimics a slider, meaning I can fully jack knife it with my short bed truck. Thus far it's been a great setup.

I had the same concerns about the adapter block shifting the fulcrum, it happens that my pin box is rated for 18K pounds, my GVWR is 15,500 and loaded for bear it weighs out at 12,800 so I felt comfortable with it.
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Old 03-17-2015, 10:37 AM   #27
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Thus far I love mine. Solid as a rock towing, easy hookup, the pyramid is light enough to easily set out of the bed and with the B&W turnover ball I have a flat floor. It's got a little rear offset that somewhat mimics a slider, meaning I can fully jack knife it with my short bed truck. Thus far it's been a great setup.

I had the same concerns about the adapter block shifting the fulcrum, it happens that my pin box is rated for 18K pounds, my GVWR is 15,500 and loaded for bear it weighs out at 12,800 so I felt comfortable with it.
Pinbox might be designed for 18K, but is the superstructure it attaches to designed to take the extra? Whatever your pin wt is, just take 1/3 of that to get the extra torque it is inducing. I would definitely contact FR for confirmation just to be sure.
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Old 03-17-2015, 12:42 PM   #28
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OC, to continue the physics lesson, let me ask a couple of questions before I take your last advice.

Do the set screws tight against the pin box bottom and almost 2" (let's say 1 - 7/8") in front kingpin center mitigate the situation to any degree?
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OC, to continue the physics lesson, let me ask a couple of questions before I take your last advice.

Do the set screws tight against the pin box bottom and almost 2" (let's say 1 - 7/8") in front kingpin center mitigate the situation to any degree?
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The set screws do nothing to mitigate the torque being exerted on the pinbox other than taking the bending load off the pin. The torque is due to the 4" offset on the pin.

As for turning the adaptor around 180°, yes, the torque on the pb is negated as far as stressing the superstructure. It would put more shear on the pb attaching hardware, but doubtful if it would be anything to worry about especially if they are Gr8.
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The set screws do nothing to mitigate the torque being exerted on the pinbox other than taking the bending load off the pin. The torque is due to the 4" offset on the pin.



As for turning the adaptor around 180°, yes, the torque on the pb is negated as far as stressing the superstructure. It would put more shear on the pb attaching hardware, but doubtful if it would be anything to worry about especially if they are Gr8.
Thanks.
Now, for my own learnin', what about comparing damage from extra torque against damage from extra weight.
Thanks in advance.



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