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Old 06-18-2014, 04:24 PM   #31
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Lol not arguing either.
Just pointing out how silly the comparisons are.

Maybe someday we'll see a China bomb on a China trailer in the us.

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I Think you apologists have missed the point all together The OP posed a question related To his original problem(s) This is a major problem and he has not "ran it up in down the highway yet" In the auto industries this is what is known as an initial defect. Not good. We have owned a Flagstaff 8528ikws for about 6 months and put over 10,000 miles on it with small defects which we hope to have set right in Goshen The one minor defect indicates the attitude about good QA rather than functionality - large paint missing on the steps - too large to miss on assembly. I wonder if turbs problems finally got taken care of by the factory rather than the dealer' maybe the factory-dealers relation is part of the problem.
How did it get from the factory to the dealer? Fly?
Mine traveled 500 miles to my dealer and went thru Illinois/ Chicago to get here.
That was kind of my point.
Some units travel thousands of miles before the end user gets it.
Do you think the delivery driver drives around potholes to miss it with the trailer? probably not.
Ever traveled thru northern Indiana and central Illinois?


Now besides that if it was leaking when the dealer got it then it should have shown up in a proper and extensive pdi upon arrival and before delivery.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:32 PM   #32
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This is quite atypical of the hydraulic systems on the 317RL, which we've been building for many years. Please send me a private message with your complete contact information, VIN#, and your Wildcat dealer. I'll forward this along to our service team for more help!
Chris, you rock...YA reason we are loyal FR owners,

Chris...something you COULD encourage back at the factory...is to make it Corporate Culture to have a Factory Rep for EVERY FR Product Line become a member of FRF and post in their respective Forum Areas.

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How did it get from the factory to the dealer? Fly?
Mine traveled 500 miles to my dealer and went thru Illinois/ Chicago to get here.
That was kind of my point.
Some units travel thousands of miles before the end user gets it.
Do you think the delivery driver drives around potholes to miss it with the trailer? probably not.
Ever traveled thru northern Indiana and central Illinois?


Now besides that if it was leaking when the dealer got it then it should have shown up in a proper and extensive pdi upon arrival and before delivery.
X2 TURBS - and having recently (like this weekend ) returned from a trip that went Up I65 from Huntsville to Ft Wayne and over to Eastpointe MI, returning I75/I65 to Huntsville I have 2 observations:

Bad News: ALL Interstates above KY Suck!

Good News: EVERY Interstate we drove on was getting repairs in the most egregious stretches of road.

Bad News: They were repairing the *&%!! things on our trip

X2 on the PDI as well!

And as for delivery well, X3! and who delivers the RVs? Folks like you and me
See for yourself:
https://www.google.com/searchq=rv+delivery+opportunities
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:47 PM   #34
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X2 TURBS - and having recently (like this weekend ) returned from a trip that went Up I65 from Huntsville to Ft Wayne and over to Eastpointe MI, returning I75/I65 to Huntsville I have 2 observations:

Bad News: ALL Interstates above KY Suck!

Good News: EVERY Interstate we drove on was getting repairs in the most egregious stretches of road.

Bad News: They were repairing the *&%!! things on our trip

X2 on the PDI as well!

And as for delivery well, X3! and who delivers the RVs? Folks like you and me
See for yourself:
https://www.google.com/searchq=rv+delivery+opportunities
You know what I travel a lot on I 80 I see delivery units all the time there are some really really nice delivery trucks pulling "our" campers however today I seen the biggest pos dodge hauling a Sabre most likely headed to walcott Iowa home of Cheyenne camper sales.
It was like a $2,500 crapper pulling a $40,000 unit.
I don't think there was a straight panel on that truck.
Oh bother.
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[QUOTE=f1100turbo;638016]BigJohnD,
Why does everybody believe that a foreign made trailer would be better then the us?
Becuase there cars/vehicles are better?

Just because a foreign auto maker can build a car to last 300,000 + miles doesn't mean there house on wheels quality will be better . No?
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The quality of an foreign made RV may not be any better than the ones manufactured by US companies. That's really not my point. My point is, the RV industry is about where the US auto industry was in the 70"s and THERE IS plenty of room for improvement in their product quality/reliability.
Be assured, after RV'ing since 1970 and owning a dozen RV's all the way from Jayco fold down to high end Allegro Bus 40' Diesel pusher, I understand the issues with making a home travel down our highways.
Also, after spending 38 years as a manufacturing/Quality Assurance manager in the electronics industry, I do understand the world of quality and what it takes to produce a cost competitive product.
My point is not directed toward the things in our RV's that fail due to usage and poor roads conditions. It is the poor/shoddy workmanship as well as inadequate design, that occurs prior to or during the manufacturing process. This forum, like all other RV forums, is filled with problems/issues caused by poor design/workmanship and it is those items that can, AND SHOULD, be addressed by US Rv companies. I will never be convinced, as some seen to believe, that's it's cheaper to simply fix defects during the warranty period than it is to do it right the first time. And yes, I've toured several RV manufacturing plants all the way from TT to high end motor coaches and have yet to see a comprehensive quality plan in place.
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How did it get from the factory to the dealer? Fly?
Mine traveled 500 miles to my dealer and went thru Illinois/ Chicago to get here.
That was kind of my point.
Some units travel thousands of miles before the end user gets it.
Do you think the delivery driver drives around potholes to miss it with the trailer? probably not.
Ever traveled thru northern Indiana and central Illinois?


Now besides that if it was leaking when the dealer got it then it should have shown up in a proper and extensive pdi upon arrival and before delivery.

I remember a few years ago while driving the highways here in Canada, actually west of Montreal on the 401, and noticed a 5 ton flatbed with a 20' TT on the bed and another one in tow. I assumed it was the delivery guy. He had that 5 ton cranked, the TT on the bed was bouncing and testing the strength of the tie downs and I'm sure the TT in tow, I saw the 4 wheels leave the ground on one big dip in the road. those 2 campers took a beating and I would hate to see the condition when they arrived at their destination, if in fact they ever arrived. Another thought came to mind is I wonder if the drivers sleep in the campers and use the facilities.
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I remember a few years ago while driving the highways here in Canada, actually west of Montreal on the 401, and noticed a 5 ton flatbed with a 20' TT on the bed and another one in tow. I assumed it was the delivery guy. He had that 5 ton cranked, the TT on the bed was bouncing and testing the strength of the tie downs and I'm sure the TT in tow, I saw the 4 wheels leave the ground on one big dip in the road. those 2 campers took a beating and I would hate to see the condition when they arrived at their destination, if in fact they ever arrived. Another thought came to mind is I wonder if the drivers sleep in the campers and use the facilities.
They're not supposed to use the camper but who knows? Another thing, time is money for the transport haulers so if you think they're driving with those trailer tires at 65 MPH or less think again.
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Old 06-19-2014, 09:20 AM   #38
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China rv's in U.S. how long?

China has broke into just about every market we have here in the U.S. do they have QC ?



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It saddens me every time I look at a part that says 'made in China' .... Since it used to be 'USA' and the quality was ten times better ... Sigh
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Delivery of their units is completely within the control of the manufacturer. They can hire any old yahoo or they can hire professional drivers. Again, all part of their commitment to supply a quality product to the consumer from design to manufacture to delivery to after-sales service.

I'd only consider a RV manufacturer from a country that has a mature, reputable manufacturing sector with a good distribution and dealer network in my area. Can they produce quality base materials, manufactured parts/systems and do they have skilled, motivated labor? China is not there yet.
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