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Old 08-27-2014, 05:37 AM   #11
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I hear what you're saying but it's irrelevant. But, these (including mine) 2007 Wildcat frames were built to fail regardless.
For comparison think about this. Take a cardboard box and replace the bottom of it with a sheet of paper. Anyone with sense knows it's not going to hold up. That's the only way I can try to get the point across of the negligence when Lippert built these frames. The side mounting plates for the pinbox look noble enough ( almost 1/4" )but it's welded to a material wall thickness less than 1/8".
I guess it's one of those things you just have to see.
FR really dropped the ball on that year frames. I have no doubt that is what is happening. I also agree that the units are about max out before you load anything. Really how much more per unit would it cost them to increase the load capacity with a 4000 lb axle compared to a 3500 lb axle. Not very much. Increase the tire load capacity, the things go on and on. What I have seen is the metal ripping like paper not the welds breaking. A Wildcat is a nice a unit and very popular. The new units frames are from Bal I think not that I even know who they are. But it comes down to the units that were specked to that. They now know that they have a problem and should recall them back in for repairs. Lippert has been sending their people out to do most of the repairs, and beefing them up. It's true they will not pull the area off and put that on the owner. That should be put on FR to do. They have a heavy hand in this problem also. If the metal is strong enough it wouldn't be ripping that tells you something and a 7 year old unit shouldn't be put in a category of metal fatigue.
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Old 08-27-2014, 06:54 PM   #12
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Oh I agree. With the money we pay ($40-50k) for these units FR should be forking out the cost of R & R of the front cap and Lippert fixing the frame. The new Wildcats are BAL frames but I know little of them. For the sake of safety, how much would it really cost to beef up a frame? The weight would be almost negligible but the safety factor goes up demonstrably.


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Old 08-27-2014, 09:27 PM   #13
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Oh I agree. With the money we pay ($40-50k) for these units FR should be forking out the cost of R & R of the front cap and Lippert fixing the frame. The new Wildcats are BAL frames but I know little of them. For the sake of safety, how much would it really cost to beef up a frame? The weight would be almost negligible but the safety factor goes up demonstrably.


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How much you ask? $80 in raw steel. About $100 in sealant, aluminum trim, stainless screws and trim cover. As a bonus, for about $50 I replaced the under fascia with 5' X 8' polished aluminum diamond plate. I had about 10 hours into it. That's a grand total of $1230 in parts and labor for replacing the existing with the adequate size crossmembers.
If they did it right the first time using atleast 3/16" wall thickness, probably $15-$20 total in price difference of materials. Maybe less because they buy in bulk.
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Old 08-27-2014, 09:45 PM   #14
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And you added; say 20 pounds in weight? If that? But you now have a very secure and good looking pin box and front under cover. Nice looking work.


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I'm going to say more, but it's pin weight which doesn't scare my dually one bit.
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Even though I'm running a Ram 2500, I would still rather have the extra weight than to have the pin box completely separate on a major interstate.


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Is there any way to check for cracking without removing anything?



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Old 09-04-2014, 11:02 PM   #18
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Not really. Even with an inspection bore scope camera you it's to hard to tell the severity of it. If you see movement when you bring up the front jacks putting the pin weight on the tow vehicle, I'd suspect fatigued crossmembers. Drop the panel to know for sure before it's too late.
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Speaking of BAL frames. They're bolted together not welded. Hmm.
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Old 09-05-2014, 04:06 PM   #20
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How much you ask? $80 in raw steel. About $100 in sealant, aluminum trim, stainless screws and trim cover. As a bonus, for about $50 I replaced the under fascia with 5' X 8' polished aluminum diamond plate. I had about 10 hours into it. That's a grand total of $1230 in parts and labor for replacing the existing with the adequate size crossmembers.
If they did it right the first time using atleast 3/16" wall thickness, probably $15-$20 total in price difference of materials. Maybe less because they buy in bulk.
Had to chuckle at the "stainless screws" 05CrewDually. I've thought for years that "if I were building RVs", every exterior fastener would be aluminum or stainless. HA...I know that's a pipe dream. Bottom line, it is all about the RV industry's bottom line. The way they look at it is, and it is true to some degree, every penny they can save adds up to dollars. So, they make the shortcuts.

And speaking of pennies add up to dollars, do you think BAL might have the frame pieces fabricated in China and assembled over here? That's why they are bolted....just thinkin out loud.
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