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Old 05-27-2012, 08:06 PM   #1
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Looking for towing help on 261BH with Envoy XL

We have a deposit down on the 261BH, and we are supposed to pick it up on Wednesday. Any help before then would be much appreciated!! I posted this on the Envoy forums and the consensus was I should be good. But, now, reading through these forums, I'm very nervous again. Can I tow this safely with an Envoy XL? Specs below.

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2005 GMC Envoy XL
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3.73 axle
Online is showing 5,500lb max weight

Looking to buy:
2013 Wildwood 26BH
Exact weight on dealer lot is 4280lb.
We plan on towing this short distances, with family members and camping items in a second vehicle to keep weight down.
Dealer is installing weight distribution and brake controller.

So, the million dollar question - safe to purchase and tow?

Thanks so much for any feedback! It's been a decision we've been struggling with for weeks now!
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:38 PM   #2
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I think you'll be fine. Weight distribution and brake controller will be a big help.

2005 GMC Envoy XL, V6

Maximum towing capacity: 7000 lbs.
Maximum payload: 1427 lbs.
Gross weight: 6200 lbs.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:46 PM   #3
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You should be ok on short distances, just keep the speed down.
It sounds like you are aware of the issues.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:52 PM   #4
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just to clarify, the Envoy has a I-6, not a v-6.

and that trailer's nearly 28' long!
you better get a darn good WDH and brake controller.
for that short of a wheelbase and that long of a trailer, you should get a Hensley or Pro-Pride WDH.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:55 PM   #5
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troyt, thanks. But, with my axel size, I'm seeing max towing @5500 lbs, not 7000. Thats honestly the part that makes me nervous.

bikendan, you're right....I-6. If I make sure I get a good WDH and brake controller, would you feel comfortable driving my setup? Or, in any situation, would you hold off because the trailer is too big, specifically too long?

And thanks so much for all of the quick feedback! This forum is awesome!!
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Old 05-27-2012, 09:04 PM   #6
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The camper is definitely too big for your Envoy, but you said you would be only going short distances. I guess the question is, what do you call "short distances"?
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Old 05-27-2012, 09:10 PM   #7
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http://www.trailerlife.com/wp-conten...Guide-2005.pdf

2005 Envoy XL 4.2L I-6
MAX TOW - 2WD = 6,000
MAX TOW - AWD = 5,800
MAX COMBINED WT = 11,000


2013 Wildwood X-Lite 26BH Travel Trailer

GVWR = 5400
With 12% Hitch to Trailer wt ratio tongue weight will be about 650 pounds

11,000 - 5400 pounds 5600 pounds available for TV to weigh

2005 GMC Envoy XL Specifications-Vehix

Curb weight 4650 leaves 950 pounds available for payload

950 - hitch and receiver (100)
leaves 850 pounds

850 - tongue load (650)
Leaves available payload 200 pounds (with 150 pound driver in curb weight) for family and "overly buff" driver.

As you can see weight and balance on that camper and tow vehicle will be critical.
You will spend a lot of time on the CAT scales making sure the load distribution is safe.

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Old 05-27-2012, 09:17 PM   #8
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DonG - we live close to tons of camps, most will be under 50 miles. A few would be between 50-100 miles.

herk7769- WOW. Thank you so much for taking the time to put all of that together. I truly appreciate it. Based on your findings, I have to conclude this camper is too big for the my Envoy XL.
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Herk. You have the tongue weight subtracted twice. You included it in the GVWR of the trailer to get the allowed weight of the TV and you subtracted it from the payload.
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Herk. You have the tongue weight subtracted twice. You included it in the GVWR of the trailer to get the allowed weight of the TV and you subtracted it from the payload.
Oh I see what you are saying.

No, that is not correct. The GVWR of the trailer is the maximum the weight of the entire camper (tongue weight PLUS weight on axles) not just axles alone.

Easy to prove since most axles are rated based on the GVWR minus the minimum safe tongue load at 10% of total camper weight. (or 90% of GVWR rounded up).

I took the GVWR of a loaded for camping camper and multiplied the "optimum" load ratio of 12% (Min 10% and Max 15%) to determine what an optimumly loaded camper's tongue weight should be.

That is the weight that will become part of the tow vehilce's payload.

Did that help?
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