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Old 08-02-2018, 03:32 PM   #1
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Do not buy the FR trailers with unprotected front glass

This is what happened to our Flagstaff 25FKS after one small rock chip.
Will cost $800 to replace and will happen over and over again. In my opinion this is a terrible design flaw from the factory. The windows should have a travel cover like they used to.
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Old 08-02-2018, 03:55 PM   #2
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would you consider covering that window with some kind of security film? i know 3m and other companies make a film that is applied like a window tint and helps prevent the glass from breaking.

https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/building...180802205431:s

would this be covered under insurance as well or no?
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Old 08-02-2018, 04:02 PM   #3
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Go to a glass shop and have them gut you new glass, it is just tempered glass, you may even be able to take the frame window out and take it with you, they will install it for you. Just make sure you seal it up correctly when re-installing it, there is no way this should cost 800 dollars.
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Old 08-02-2018, 04:14 PM   #4
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It would be best to take either the frame or the whole RV to a glass place and have them make one. They'll most likely have to send it to be tempered after cutting it, so you'll probably have to wait a few days to get it back in service.

I'd also talk to them about a cover for it while you're there. They may have some suggestions.
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Old 08-02-2018, 04:37 PM   #5
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What isledog said. Get roll of security film 10mil. Might have to replace it once or twice from yellowing but shouldn’t allow rock to break glass
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Old 08-02-2018, 04:40 PM   #6
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Why would anyone buy a trailer, or class C with a window on the front, especially one with no protection?
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Why would anyone buy a trailer, or class C with a window on the front, especially one with no protection?
Meanwhile, we drive vehicles with windshields so we can see where we're going.

Being on the front it would be nice if they used laminated safety glass instead of tempered safety glass, but perhaps that is not allowed per regulations.
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Old 08-02-2018, 06:38 PM   #8
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This is what happened to our Flagstaff 25FKS after one small rock chip.
Will cost $800 to replace and will happen over and over again. In my opinion this is a terrible design flaw from the factory. The windows should have a travel cover like they used to.
So is he saying only FR products have this problem or do all manufacturers have this problem
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Old 08-03-2018, 11:18 AM   #9
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I'm sure all mfg's with exposed front windows have the same problem. There may be some mfg's that use laminated glass, but that wouldn't mitigate the problem, they would just crack differently than the tempered glass.

The mfg's could use either tempered or laminated glass. Laminated glass is a little more expensive than tempered, so that's why they choose tempered over laminated.
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When we did the factory tour of Rockwood/Flagstaff last year, they were explaining these used the same automotive grade glass as a windshield and will withstand the same forces as a windshield, which is why they can now do big open windows instead of the ones they used to have to fit under the covers. Under that reasoning, what broke the OPs windshield on their trailer, would have just as easily broken the windshield of their TV.
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On my Flagstaff 831CLBSS they claim it is laminated windshield glass. I don't know how to verify it unless I get a crack. I like the front window and was concerned until I found out it is windshield glass
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When we did the factory tour of Rockwood/Flagstaff last year, they were explaining these used the same automotive grade glass as a windshield and will withstand the same forces as a windshield, which is why they can now do big open windows instead of the ones they used to have to fit under the covers. Under that reasoning, what broke the OPs windshield on their trailer, would have just as easily broken the windshield of their TV.
A windshield wouldn't crack (shatter) like this window did.
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On my Flagstaff 831CLBSS they claim it is laminated windshield glass. I don't know how to verify it unless I get a crack. I like the front window and was concerned until I found out it is windshield glass
Look for the markings on the glass near one of the corners. Says who made the glass and should also say what kind of glass it is; Laminated, tempered.

Standards of automotive glass marking. Examples of American, European and Chinese marking.
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Those new front cap windows are all curved vertically and maybe horizontally, too, so I don't know if your average glass place could provide a replacement from stock. Are they a custom order from the factory?

Our 2011 Rockwood Signature Ultra Lite TT has the covered (flat) front window but we never use it. It stays covered with the blind down.


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Given that it's in the bedroom and typically facing the road in front of our campsite, we just aren't comfortable having the cover open. Even if it were tinted dark we'd still be uncomfortable with that. If the factory asked us to vote, I'd say delete the front window. I don't think it would be a deal breaker for us but it's definitely not something we'd order if it were an option.
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When we did the factory tour of Rockwood/Flagstaff last year, they were explaining these used the same automotive grade glass as a windshield and will withstand the same forces as a windshield, which is why they can now do big open windows instead of the ones they used to have to fit under the covers. Under that reasoning, what broke the OPs windshield on their trailer, would have just as easily broken the windshield of their TV.
Not really,the OPs front window is the "Old Style Flat" the New Auto Type that looks like a "Alien Eyes" is Auto Type! This is Made in Dayton,Ohio by "Fuyao Glass of America,Worlds Largest auto glass Mfg Plant! Youroo!!
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Not really,the OPs front window is the "Old Style Flat" the New Auto Type that looks like a "Alien Eyes" is Auto Type! This is Made in Dayton,Ohio by "Fuyao Glass of America,Worlds Largest auto glass Mfg Plant! Youroo!!
Ok, thanks for pointing out the difference. I wasn't aware they made a non-covered, non-automotive version. I've only seen the covered ones (like mine or itat's) or the full automotive ones (alien eyes as you called them).
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One reason I bought a unit that didn't have a front window. Hope you get it fixed soon.
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Old 08-03-2018, 12:33 PM   #18
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Not really,the OPs front window is the "Old Style Flat" the New Auto Type that looks like a "Alien Eyes" is Auto Type! This is Made in Dayton,Ohio by "Fuyao Glass of America,Worlds Largest auto glass Mfg Plant! Youroo!!
I wonder if I walked over they would give me one. I can see the plant from work.
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I can understand the frustration that a problem like this cause for I myself had my windshield chipped on the first trip (2000+miles) but since then no more chips in almost 5000 miles of the subsequent trips.
It's a windshield and it's in the front so it may be chipped but I don't think its a frequent occurrence and I don't think it has a higher risk than the vehicles we drive.... Also, the same rock/pipe or whatever that hits the windshield if instead hit the front cap, could cause a way more expensive repair...
Therefore I don't agree with the recommendation to not buy because of that.
It is really silly to buy a camper with a windshield and not imagine that it can happen...
The windshield is laminated, like the car ones.
BTW: in the picture below my windshield is chipped, can you see it?
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I wonder if I walked over they would give me one. I can see the plant from work.
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