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11-11-2018, 02:25 PM
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E-Pro Geo Pro Carry Capacity Confusion?
I am looking at the E-Pro/Geo Pro 19FD, and am trying to understand the carrying capacity on these units. I have attached a photo from an E-Pro 19FD, and it lists two different carrying capacities, but the difference isn’t just the fresh water since the math doesn’t work. If your fresh water tank is full, do these campers really only have ~500 lbs of cargo capacity?
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11-11-2018, 03:02 PM
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Scoundrel
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The 264kb (582lbs) on the yellow sticker accounts for 165lbs of water in the fresh water tank and 50lbs of water in the hot water heater. Add all of those together and you get something close to the full 798lbs total cargo.
Hope this helps.
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11-11-2018, 03:08 PM
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Scoundrel
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See my note on the lower left of your sticker....
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11-12-2018, 02:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HangDiver
The 264kb (582lbs) on the yellow sticker accounts for 165lbs of water in the fresh water tank and 50lbs of water in the hot water heater. Add all of those together and you get something close to the full 798lbs total cargo.
Hope this helps.
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But the sticker says a full tank of freshwater, which would be 31+6 = 37 gallons, or 308 pounds, hence my confusion.
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11-12-2018, 02:12 PM
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jkoenig24
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"If your fresh water tank is full, do these campers really only have ~500 lbs of cargo capacity?"
I would NOT be surprised if that were the case. MANY "smaller" RVs (Class-B, standard Class-C and trailers) have woefully limited carrying capacity. You're smart to be CAREFULLY running the numbers!
Because of these very limited capacities, many people choose to NOT carry water. What if, when you arrive, there's an unexpected problem and, water is unavailable? RV tanks generally do NOT have baffles which limit the shifting of water. Carrying half a tank may affect the handling of an RV in adverse ways.
One reason I bought a Super-C Class RV is that, unless I start an anvil collection, it would be difficult to overload my rig even when I choose to travel with the 110 gallon fresh water tank full. I have had my RV "Smart Weighed" at a rally so, I KNOW that I'm NOT overloaded in any parameter. If you haven't "Smart Weighed" your rig, you would be wise to do so. The cost is reasonable and, once properly weighed, you're good to go unless you make SUBSTANTIAL changes to your rig.
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11-12-2018, 02:25 PM
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TNCamping, many of these smaller trailers are marketed to the minivan/CUV community that have max towing capacities between 3500-3800lbs.
So something has to be sacrificed to shrink the GVWR rating, so cargo capacities are the first to go.
But RV manufacturers don't point this out to the consumer because most consumers know nothing about payload capacities and towing capacities. Most of these consumers only want a bunch of amenities, in a smaller package.
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11-12-2018, 04:06 PM
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Water weight
Water weighs 8.3 pounds per gallon. Don't know where these other numbers originate. I'd you have a 40 gallon tank full, you are carrying 332 pounds.
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11-13-2018, 10:37 AM
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Sounds like it only has a 20 gal fresh water tank instead of the 30 gal listed on the website.
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11-13-2018, 10:49 AM
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the top label is for the AXLE/Tire ratings, not the RV...
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the bottom label is for the RV's CHASSIS rating, which is always going to be LESS than what the Axles/Tires can handle, whether a trailer or a motorhome...
having 500lbs of capacity is pretty common for trailers since you/people are not 'riding' in them down the road, as the rating is referring to 'while traveling'.
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11-13-2018, 12:16 PM
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Don't forget the tongue weight NOT on the TT axle!
I've discovered that my GTWR (empty weight plus cargo carry rating) is noticeably higher than my axle capacity rating. The GTWR assumes you have that overage on the tongue, making it part of your TV cargo capacity.
I am a strong apostle if the "get thee to a CAT scale", or equivalent, discipline
After my CAT scale experience, my TT went on a weight loss program and I never tow with water in the tanks, at least for now.
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11-13-2018, 12:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HangDiver
See my note on the lower left of your sticker....
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Yes, this is the answer.
264+75+23 = 362kg as mentioned in the load limit sticker. If you look at the GVWR on the certification label it is probably listed as around 3,851LB or 1,747kg.
That is the listed dry weight plus the listed cargo capacity on the load sticker.
This also assumes around 351LB on the tongue, which is 10% of the axle rating. 3,500 + 351 = 3,851LB.
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11-13-2018, 02:03 PM
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Thanks for everyone’s input. I did go back and look more closely to the weight limit sticker on the 2019 E-Pro 19FD. It lists a GVWR of 3,890 lbs, a GAWR of 3,500 lbs, and therefore, an assumed tongue weight of 390 lbs.
The 798 lbs is the tire loading limit, and the Cargo Carrying Capacity is 582 lbs with the fresh water tanks (cold and hot) full. Given that water weighs 8.34 lbs per gallon, the hot water capacity shown of 23 kg (6 gallons) aligns with what Flagstaff advertises for the hot water heater, but the math on the sticker suggests the fresh water tank capacity is only 19.8 gallons, not the 37 gallons that Flagstaff advertises in their marketing materials. Even if one assumes the 37 includes hot and cold capacity, that still says the cold water tank capacity should be 31 gallons.
That’s a massive difference: nominally 20 gal. vs. 31(or 37) gal. That’s 1/3rd to 1/2 off. Is the cargo sticker wrong or is Flagstaff’s (and Rockwood on the Geo Pro) marketing materials wrong? Both cannot be correct.
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11-13-2018, 03:50 PM
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Call the E-Pro division and ask them if they changed size of the FW tank.
On a lot of the literature there's a fine print disclaimer that states that they're not responsible for misprints, and that they may change things at any time.
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11-22-2018, 02:04 PM
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We noticed on our E-pro 19fd that the fresh water tank is small. I am not sure what the capacity is but I am pretty sure it is closer to 20 gals Cda, I think that makes it 27 U.S. It is not even close to 37.
We travel with our fresh water tanks mostly full. We often boondock and do not have ready access to water. So far we have not encountered any overweight problems. I too am a strong advocate of using highway scales to make sure we are within the capacity limits. I do find though that it is pretty easy to exceed the tongue limits. We pay attention to what we pack in the storage area underneath the murphy bed couch. It is easy to fill it with heavy stuff.
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11-22-2018, 09:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by formerFR
the top label is for the AXLE/Tire ratings, not the RV...
and
the bottom label is for the RV's CHASSIS rating, which is always going to be LESS than what the Axles/Tires can handle, whether a trailer or a motorhome...
having 500lbs of capacity is pretty common for trailers since you/people are not 'riding' in them down the road, as the rating is referring to 'while traveling'.
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I don’t think the top sticker is only for axle weight ratings.
If I were the OP, I would contact the manufacturer for further guidance.
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11-22-2018, 10:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ependydad
I don’t think the top sticker is only for axle weight ratings.
If I were the OP, I would contact the manufacturer for further guidance.
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I covered this above in a previous post, both stickers are tied together if you do the math.
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