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Old 06-12-2017, 03:03 PM   #1
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Every brochure I see for this trailer has a different tongue weight. Who can I contact to get the correct weight?
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Old 06-12-2017, 08:00 PM   #2
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My 2016 loaded is in the range of #1200. Trailer weights about #200 under gross.
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Old 06-12-2017, 11:28 PM   #3
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My 2014 tongue weight is 1160 with only LP and battery. I know a lot has to do with the options you get.
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Old 06-13-2017, 03:50 PM   #4
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I have an EAZ-LIFT weight distribution system. I have used this WDS system since I purchased my first trailer, (an 18 foot), to my current 2015 Flagstaff Classic 832 IKBS. I’ve never had any major problems with this set up. When I purchased my 832, I moved up to the 14,000 lb. WD hitch and the 1000 lb. bar.
I purchased a 2015 Ram 1500 4X2 Crew Cab 5.7 Hemi with a 3.92 Axle Ratio. Towing capacity is 10,650lbs. (GVWR - 6600, GCWR – 15950, GAWR – Front 3700, Rear 3900)
On the open road, as set up now, drives as straight as an arrow. I usually maintain around 60 mph. Trucks will pass me without feeling any sway.
My question concerns the hitched and unhitched specs.
Hitched Unhitched
Front wheel 36 in, 36 in.
Rear Wheel 36 in, 38 in.
When hooked up, the TV and TT are perfectly level with 2 links hanging and the bars parallel with the frame. If the TV is 2 inches higher when unhitched and level when hitched is the 2 inch difference acceptable?
And now I have an additional question. I weighed the truck and trailer yesterday. The weights were:
Truck without trailer –
  • Steer Axle - 3160lb
  • Drive Axle – 2600lb
  • Gross Weight – 5760lb
Truck and Trailer
  • Steer Axle – 2960lb
  • Drive Axle – 3820lb
  • Trailer Axle – 7480lb
  • Gross Weight – 14260lb
Based on these new numbers, I would like to know if I should stay with the 1000lb round bar or step up to the 1200 or even 1400lb round bar?
The tongue weights were originally quoted as 788, then I saw 960, and now on line they list it as almost 1100lbs.
Any suggestions??
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Old 06-14-2017, 09:47 AM   #5
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I was given an equalizer 10k at purchase. I made it work but it was way out of it's league. That's when I weighed the actual tongue and upgraded to an Equalizer 14k. I currently run one less than max washers with the arm hooks in standard position and it works great. I have the same truck but 4x4. It's a great combination in my opinion.
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Truck without trailer –
  • Steer Axle - 3160lb
  • Drive Axle – 2600lb
  • Gross Weight – 5760lb
Truck and Trailer
  • Steer Axle – 2960lb
  • Drive Axle – 3820lb
  • Trailer Axle – 7480lb
  • Gross Weight – 14260lb
Looking at these numbers I would ask if they were taken with the WDH engaged? IF so, it's really not doing too much for you. Here are the numbers from my rig.

Truck only:
Steer Axle - 3420#
Drive Axle - 2600#
Total - 6020#

Truck and Trailer with WDH engaged:

Steer Axle - 3660#
Drive Axle - 3340#
Trailer Axles - 8580#
Total - 15580#
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This a little deceiving as there was a crown in the parking lot. The trailer is level and the truck sits very nearly at the attitude it is unloaded, just lower. It was taken just before I scaled it for the measurements above.

From a hitch standpoint, I used the Equalizer manual as a guide and then adjusted it over time until the truck was about back to its unloaded posture. That way I'm not blinding anyone with the low beams and have a good amount of load on the steer axle to guarantee good control.
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Looking at these numbers I would ask if they were taken with the WDH engaged? IF so, it's really not doing too much for you. Here are the numbers from my rig.

Truck only:
Steer Axle - 3420#
Drive Axle - 2600#
Total - 6020#

Truck and Trailer with WDH engaged:

Steer Axle - 3660#
Drive Axle - 3340#
Trailer Axles - 8580#
Total - 15580#
Thanks for your information. Looks like I am pushing an additional 480 lbs on the rear wheels. So would you recommend going to the 1400lb? Your additional weight in the front must be from the 4X4 configuration. The 832 is my 3ed Flagstaff. We really love it! Had a 24, then a 26 ft. before.


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Looking at these numbers I would ask if they were taken with the WDH engaged? IF so, it's really not doing too much for you. Here are the numbers from my rig.

Truck only:
Steer Axle - 3420#
Drive Axle - 2600#
Total - 6020#

Truck and Trailer with WDH engaged:

Steer Axle - 3660#
Drive Axle - 3340#
Trailer Axles - 8580#
Total - 15580#
Forgot to mention:


The level trailer ball height is 25 1/2, and the truck ball height is 24 1/2. The pitch of the hitch is 9 degrees. If I step up to the 1400 lb. bars, will I decrease the pitch of the hitch?


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Old 06-14-2017, 02:46 PM   #10
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We have the 2015 sister version 8329SS, tongue weight 1150 lbs.
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Forgot to mention:


The level trailer ball height is 25 1/2, and the truck ball height is 24 1/2. The pitch of the hitch is 9 degrees. If I step up to the 1400 lb. bars, will I decrease the pitch of the hitch?


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Maybe. Given I would suggest transferring more weight to the front truck axle, I'd give it a shot with the new bars as it's currently rigged and weigh it.

Getting mine to where it is and me liking how it sits and drives took the better part of a year and maybe 6 separate hitch tweaks. (And we use it twice a month.)
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:07 AM   #12
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My Flagstaff 832IKBS has tounge weight of 1150 pounds loaded. I was so concerned with tv drop I bought a scale to keep track of weight. Between Blue Ox and sone loading behind the axles in LR area with stuff and half tank of fresh water have managed to keep it there. Have concen that front wheels carry more weight because of heavy tounge, therefore I rotate the front to back every 5k miles when doing bearing maintenance.
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Thanks for your information. Looks like I am pushing an additional 480 lbs on the rear wheels. So would you recommend going to the 1400lb? Your additional weight in the front must be from the 4X4 configuration. The 832 is my 3ed Flagstaff. We really love it! Had a 24, then a 26 ft. before.


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I enjoyed reading your post. We just got a 2017 832IKBS in November 2016 and love to read things about other 832 owners. This is ALSO our 3rd flagstaff - a 25 - a 28 and now the 36. We are also enjoying this camper - we love the layout - Recliners - island for cooking - fireplace. It has alot of nice features that we call this our RETIREMENT camper. But still a few years until we can retire. Looking forward to a trip out west as soon as we retire. Enjoy - will be watching for more posts... Debbie
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I enjoyed reading your post. We just got a 2017 832IKBS in November 2016 and love to read things about other 832 owners. This is ALSO our 3rd flagstaff - a 25 - a 28 and now the 36. We are also enjoying this camper - we love the layout - Recliners - island for cooking - fireplace. It has alot of nice features that we call this our RETIREMENT camper. But still a few years until we can retire. Looking forward to a trip out west as soon as we retire. Enjoy - will be watching for more posts... Debbie
The Rockwood 8329SS is effectively the same rig and there seem to be more of them around. Several good threads in the Rockwood sub section with a lot of good information.
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Maybe. Given I would suggest transferring more weight to the front truck axle, I'd give it a shot with the new bars as it's currently rigged and weigh it.

Getting mine to where it is and me liking how it sits and drives took the better part of a year and maybe 6 separate hitch tweaks. (And we use it twice a month.)
Thanks, Waiting for the 1400's to be delivered from Amazon today but UPS is having problems in Columbia SC facility so it may be a day late. I plan on taking it to be weighed again with new bars
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Received the 1400 lbs. bars and used them this weekend. I have to say that the truck and trailer performed great, no sway, (using 2 sway bars). Handling was perfect.


I am concerned however about the drop in the rear of my truck. The stats as I have it set up now are as follows:


Unhitch heights:


Truck 22.5 inches


Trailer 23.0 inches





Wheel Well measurement:


Unhitched Hitched


Front 36.5 inches 36.25 inches


Back 38.5 inches 35.25 inches


My question is how I get the rear of the truck to land around the same as the unhitched height while maintaining the front height. Should I raise the hitch higher than the trailer height, should I increase the pitch, (right now about 7 degrees)?

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Before making any more adjustments, you might try to get another set of weights. It seems a bit odd that you would have such a drop in the rear while also seeing a drop in the front.
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Hi, not sure what you mean by "another set of weights". Do you mean the Bars? I just bought 1400 lb. bars to cover the tongue weight. I think it could be the pitch of the hitch? I'm going to call Eaz-Lift tomorrow and see if I can get any additional information from them. Called them earlier but didn't get to talk to a tech.
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Scale weights.
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The rear hieght doesn't matter, however the front should not be lower hooked up then without the trailer so you probably need to back off the tension some.
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