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Old 11-22-2008, 03:55 PM   #1
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I am seriously considering the purchase of a 831KRSS. Two things have me concerned though. One is the Concertone system which I mentioned in another thread. Another is the front window. Initially I thought it sounded like a nice feature. But then I listened to a KZ and Jayco dealer (I know, not always a good thing to do), and both of them indicated that most companies in the industry have moved away from those windows because they always leak. It sounded like typical sales man talk, but I have noticed very few new trailers have them except FR. Those of you that have had a FR for a while, have you had leaking problems? If you had, did you get good service trying to stop it?
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Old 11-22-2008, 07:59 PM   #2
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Front window leaks are easy to fix. I would have to say that if the front window is installed properly, there is no reason for it to leak now or in the future. Installed properly is a big if, no matter who the manufacturer is.

http://rocky06fs.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~986.asp


We really like the large front window, especially after I fixed the leak.

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Old 11-23-2008, 09:32 AM   #3
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I have a front window on my 8314 Rockwood and that is where the bed room is. I don't have a problem with the window leaking, but I do have a problem with condensate when the heat is on. I have found that the front wall is not insulated. The pillows and the top edge of the mattress gets wet if they are touching the interior wall. As far as the cabinets above, it is very cold in side but since the cabinet doors are closed and can not get any heat our clothes stay dry but cold. This is one reason I don't like camping when the temps get below 50 degrees at night, the camper is terriable when it comes to heat loss. Over time the camper develops oders from the condensate if it is not dried out quickly and all the cabinets, walls, floor and furniture will show signs of a moisture problems over time.
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Old 11-23-2008, 10:45 AM   #4
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Never had a problem. Does your front window on your car leak?? Sounds like sales BS to me.
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My suspicion is that the disappearance of front windows has more to do with design changes (Why are bedrooms suddenly in the front of the trailer?), and the manufacturers cheaping out or maybe trying to save a bit of weight.

My preference is to have a front living room with a sofa across the front of the trailer. I've never thought much of the idea of backing into a space and then not being able look out the front and see what is going on around me.

As far as leaks go, I've owned three trailers with front windows and have never had a problem. OTOH, I've always had a rockguard (fiberglass cover) on the windows. The way they are attached forms a gutter above the window and rain seldom comes in contact with the window itself.
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Old 11-23-2008, 12:04 PM   #6
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The leaks occur between the frame and the sideing of the trailer. I have had 3 trailers with front windows, 2 Dutchmen and the present Rockwood. All three have leaked until I re-sealed them myself.

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Old 11-23-2008, 03:37 PM   #7
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I have a front window on my 8314 Rockwood and that is where the bed room is. I don't have a problem with the window leaking, but I do have a problem with condensate when the heat is on. I have found that the front wall is not insulated. The pillows and the top edge of the mattress gets wet if they are touching the interior wall. As far as the cabinets above, it is very cold in side but since the cabinet doors are closed and can not get any heat our clothes stay dry but cold. This is one reason I don't like camping when the temps get below 50 degrees at night, the camper is terriable when it comes to heat loss. Over time the camper develops oders from the condensate if it is not dried out quickly and all the cabinets, walls, floor and furniture will show signs of a moisture problems over time.
FR has some of the higher R values of any of the TTs I have been researching. Has anyone else had these issues? I am happy to see that most people have not had window issues, but this condensation thing does not look good.
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I have never seen any condensation. Caused by either cold weather camping or cooking without proper ventilation. Can be the only causes imo.
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Old 11-23-2008, 04:13 PM   #9
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We have owned several trailers over the years with front windows. None of them ever leaked even though we had one for almost ten years. However, all had front bedrooms and the windows made it uncomfortable as the window coverings interfered with the bed pillows. Our current trailer has no window but has a headboard for the bed. It works better! We much prefer the front bedroom as it allows very large windows for the living room. We enjoy the panoramic view without even going outside!
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Old 11-23-2008, 07:05 PM   #10
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FR has some of the higher R values of any of the TTs I have been researching.
I have spent many happy hours sealing up holes, leaks, etc that let outside air into my Rockwood 5th wheel, and I still do not have them all. Yes the R value of the floors, walls and roof are better than most, for what ever reason, cost mosty I suspect, your average RV is a really drafty place to be.
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