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Old 08-21-2013, 11:04 AM   #11
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Minivans can tow a small pop-up or a boat and that's about it. I wouldn't tow a regular travel trailer with a minivan, ever.

Sorry, but you need a different trailer or tow vehicle.
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Old 08-21-2013, 11:39 AM   #12
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If your tow rating is for 3,500 lbs, adding a WD hitch will not increase what the van can pull (3,500 lbs). In my case my truck can pull 5,700 lbs (that is what it can tow, there is another payload rating for what is also in the truck) but my Class III hitch was only rated for 3,500 lbs (I think). By adding a WD hitch, I can increase that rating to 6000 lbs (but still limited to the 5,700 lbs truck rating).

And as already said, factory towing package is a must (or 3rd party that does the same).
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Good to have you here!

As others have said, I don't think this is a good setup for you.


It sounds like your van is maxed at a 3,500lbs towing cap and this unit will be at least that much in real life (with cargo, battery, a little water and propane). A (very) basic rule of thumb is to stay at 80% of your vehicles tow cap.

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So here are my questions:
1--have a 04 Toyota sienna, 6 cyl, front wheel drive....just put a hitch on it, van is rated 3500 lbs, I was told by man at u haul, that if I had electric brake box added and stabilizer bar on it, that it would increase my towing capacity to 5000 lbs. so agree, disagree, comments? You cannot increase the manufacturer's tow ratings on a vehicle. The vehicle's weakest link defines its weight limitations. This might be the suspension, springs, tires, axles or any other weight-bearing portion of the chassis. You can try to find the weakest link and modify it but even that doesn't change the sticker.

Also, It sounds like your minivan does not have a tow package on it. A towing package may include a heavy duty radiator, battery, flasher system, alternator, suspension, and brakes, as well as an engine-oil cooler, transmission-oil cooler, wiring harness, specific axle ratio, and special wheels and tires.

So, your capacities are what they are. I know that backyard mechanics will insist that you can change these to tow a bigger trailer, but you need to go by the certification sticker and manual that lists your towing capacities.

2--any pros or cons on this particular model from other owners

Any other feedback, words of wisdom, tricks of the trade, do's, dont's, suggestions, etc. I'm all ears

Its good that you are reaching out to ask questions before you commit to a setup. Feel free to browse the forum and ask specific questions as they come to mind.

By the way, the majority of the time, it will just be me and my 15 year old son, and/or my wife. It says its only rated for 4 people

I would suggest you consider a popup, R-Pod, or an A-frame (hard sided popup in Flagstaff terminology). These would also fit your family, as they come with at least one bed and the dinette can be made into a bed.


Thanks in advance for the feedback.
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Old 08-21-2013, 08:14 PM   #14
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Thanks for the feedback everyone, actually talked to the bank today about the rv, and was told that with it being an '08 model the value was only rated at $6000, and owner is asking $8000....he had it at $10,000.
I know it is in great shape and only used twice, but still, the value is the value, so just wondering if its worth paying $2000 more for something than what it's worth, vs. buying one that us $5000-$6000 but has been used and abused.
I know its a judgement call, but just trying to make a smart decision since this will be my 1st.
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Old 08-21-2013, 08:28 PM   #15
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Seems the price of the trailer isn't the problem at this point.

The trailer is just too heavy.
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Old 08-21-2013, 09:17 PM   #16
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Agreed, after all the great feedback, plans are already in the works to update our towing vehicle.

Now, just concerned about the value vs what we would be paying

Plus can't help but wonder if I wouldn't be better off getting something a little bigger.

Just afraid that the 18', only being able to sleep 4 would be too small and we would want to upgrade, so why not do it first.

Had same scenario happen with my motorcycle and regret not going bigger the 1st time.
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If you went with a cheaper camper, lets say 5 or 6000, the bank will just come back and tell you its only worth 2000. It will always be that way. They go by the blue book. You're never going to win. If someone is selling their camper for 8000, try to lower em up a bit, but don't expect people to sell their units for blue book. Its unrealistic. If that were the case then they would just take the loss trading it in at the dealer. Why go through the hassle of trying to sell it on their own?? Most people still have a hellova loan on their campers. Their just trying to not take too much of a loss. If you've found a gem with no problems and barely used, and looks real nice, then I say go for it!
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Theresa

Agreed, after all the great feedback, plans are already in the works to update our towing vehicle.

Now, just concerned about the value vs what we would be paying

Plus can't help but wonder if I wouldn't be better off getting something a little bigger.

Just afraid that the 18', only being able to sleep 4 would be too small and we would want to upgrade, so why not do it first.

Had same scenario happen with my motorcycle and regret not going bigger the 1st time.

Remember too, if you are looking for something "bigger" alot of trailers claim to sleep 8 but remember kids grow quick so you want to be sure it sleeps adult size ppl comfy or you be upgrading sooner then you think.
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Old 08-21-2013, 11:09 PM   #19
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Theresa

Agreed, after all the great feedback, plans are already in the works to update our towing vehicle.

Now, just concerned about the value vs what we would be paying

Plus can't help but wonder if I wouldn't be better off getting something a little bigger.

Just afraid that the 18', only being able to sleep 4 would be too small and we would want to upgrade, so why not do it first.

Had same scenario happen with my motorcycle and regret not going bigger the 1st time.
The camper is 'brand new', and I am sure in very good shape and this gentleman should get the 8gs for it.... But I don't think it is for you.....

1) By your statement above.... I think that the camper is already to small for you.... I have three kids and had a 30 foot camper... it was fine as long as the kids were small... they grew up... I now have a 36 foot camper.

2) You will need a bigger tow vehicle just for this camper. If you get a large tow vehicle... then get a larger camping unit that you will have for at least 5-7 years. Do not 'buy' a smaller one now and think to trade it in a yer or two... you will lose your axx on the devaluation. (my last camper I had for 15 years)

3) This smaller camper has 5 year old tires on them.... the tread is 'new', but the life of the tire is gone and an accident waiting to happen.
Being new to RVing, you do not want anything bad to happen so add 4 new tires and a new spare to the costs...


Pass on this 'good deal'.
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3) This smaller camper has 5 year old tires on them.... the tread is 'new', but the life of the tire is gone and an accident waiting to happen.
Being new to RVing, you do not want anything bad to happen so add 4 new tires and a new spare to the costs...


Pass on this 'good deal'.
plus eleventy on this....

and additionally, depending on where it's located, was it winterized properly each year?

was it maintained properly while it was sitting...roof inspected, etc. ?

Lots to contemplate. These rigs take a lot to maintain, even when just sitting.

I found this listing for an 18frb...there's a weight document there, but look at the dealer's 'asking price'.
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