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Old 12-31-2015, 08:39 PM   #21
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x2 on what Dogpatch said. I now have a Silverado 2500 diesel towing a 34 foot Flagstaff. Performs like a dream in the mountains. See a lot of 1500s all brands struggling on some of the pulls around here, not to speak of the 18 wheelers. Will not own another tv without a exhaust brake! Even with diesel being more per gallon, the increased mpg is well worth it. Can run 275-300 miles before I need a refuel, plan my stops on this figure.
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Old 12-31-2015, 09:11 PM   #22
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Towing with 1/2 Tons

Well, I may be the loan wolf out here but been pulling a 28RKS Wildcat (8000lb dry) with a 2012 F150 SCREW, 7700GVW , Max Tow Package, 6.2L gas, 373 diff, 6 spd auto for the past two seasons. Last year was a big one, we did a trip from White Rock, BC to the Arctic Ocean at Deadhorse Alaska, 13400KM ,LOTS of 8-10% grades up and down and a fair bit of 10-14 in the far north Dalton Hwy. Did all the weight measurements, GCVW, GVW and payload and was legal on all counts with full fuel, the two of us and 3 months worth of gear. 11.2 MPG total for the summer, highway, city etc so real happy. I went with the 150 to stay lower to the ground because my wife has mobility issues . Very happy with the combination. If I had a wish , it's for a diesel with an engine brake for getting DOWN out of the passes, going up is fine. I should also pre qualify this by saying I'm not a speed demon. Towing over 60MPH isn't something I do with any regularity. I like 55-60 as a relaxed cruising speed in our land of mountain passes. I spent my life travelling professionally and want to continue to stay safe.
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Old 01-01-2016, 06:45 AM   #23
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We tow 8528 IKWS with 2500 HD Sierra HD 6.0 it's just enough don't know If I would tow with less...IMHO


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Old 01-01-2016, 07:47 AM   #24
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What year truck are you talking about? The new F-150 ecoboost fords with the 3.73 rear end have a 12,000 lb tow capacity when properly outfitted. And you'll get in the high 20's mpg when not towing... .... Only white-knuckle time was coming out of Montana on an 8% grade downhill and I had warped rotors. Just sayin'...speaking from experience...
To the OP, you have opened a can of worms, my friend. You have let the brand loyalists, the "my truck can pull a house and still get amazing mileage myth", guys have the soapbox... but... BUT, keep in mind you have to stop what you are towing and 250/2500 and for sure 350/3500 are designed for this... not to mention handling sway much better. Hauling is more relaxing when you are not pedal to the metal and worrying about burning up the brakes or rotors; that is my experience.
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Old 01-01-2016, 09:13 AM   #25
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To the OP, you have opened a can of worms, my friend. You have let the brand loyalists, the "my truck can pull a house and still get amazing mileage myth", guys have the soapbox... but... BUT, keep in mind you have to stop what you are towing and 250/2500 and for sure 350/3500 are designed for this... not to mention handling sway much better. Hauling is more relaxing when you are not pedal to the metal and worrying about burning up the brakes or rotors; that is my experience.
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Amen..............Can of worms indeed.

Have an F-150, not an ego or max anything. 5.0, reg cab 8' bed.
Have a GMC 2500HD, 6.0, double cab 8' bed.

The overall towing experience with the 2500 is night and day better than the F-150. When it comes to stability and stopping power, they are not even close to being in the same league. I can make that statement because I have done it both ways. (yikes, Havercamp go's both ways) Sometimes I go both ways on the same day. Don't let the 6K GVWR hybrid in the sig fool you, I have also towed flatbeds with excavation equipment often, as well as a few larger TT's.

With the 6K hybrid and the F-150, I wouldn't even think about not using a WDH. With the hybrid and the 2500, I don't even think about using a WDH. Just drop it on the ball and go. I have to keep looking back to see if the trailer is still there with the 2500, with the F-150 I know its back there.

Lighter is not better from a stability and control perspective when it comes to towing, and never will be.
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Old 01-01-2016, 09:46 AM   #26
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I wouldn't even think about not using a WDH. With the hybrid and the 2500, I don't even think about using a WDH. Just drop it on the ball and go. I have to keep looking back to see if the trailer is still there with the 2500,.
Every once in a while someone says something like this-- and it bugs me a tad. I know there is difference between truck sizes when towing but really???
I bought a used Chevy HD 2500 diesel with Allison tranny. We towed a light weight 25' Rockwood Ultralite from KY to FL and back. I had that trailer 5 years and had it weighed a couple of times. It weighed 4050 LBS wet, loaded ready to hit the campground.
Sure the HD 2500 smoker pulled it easily but I KNEW it was back there. When your pulling a 2 ton trailer that effectively makes your rig 25 feet longer
than without it- IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

Sold the HD and kept my 1500 Silverado. Could not fall in love with the
HD because it was a basic work cab 4 door with manual windows and not many extras besides radio AC and power locks and cruise. Also got a measly 1 mpg more with the diesel than my gasser and that didn't equal any savings due to higher per gallon price on diesel fuel.
I only kept the 2500 for 3 months. I re-sold it to a guy with a honking big 5th wheel who was just going to tow in the state.

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Old 01-01-2016, 09:51 AM   #27
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the ones who think their 1/2 tons pull like semi trucks, have never experienced the relaxed feeling you get with a heavy truck. I've towed with small vehicles like an old Toyota (that weighed under 3000 with 2 people in cab), Bronco II. I've have 1/2 tons, a Yukon, GMC 2500. Until my current 3500 diesel, I never knew what I was missing. Until you have your self, you can't make a fair comparison.
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Remember that not all 1/2 tons are created equal, either.

My 2009 Silverado 1500 Owners Manual lists 99 permutations (cab size, bed size, engine size, transmission, rear end, trailering package, etc), with towing capacities from about 4K to almost 12K. That's a pretty big spread.

The 2015 Owners Manual has 51 permutations, from 4600 to 11,800lbs.

So you can't just ask "Can a 1/2 ton pull an XXXX trailer?" You have to ask "WHICH 1/2 ton do you want to use to pull an xxxx trailer?"
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Every vehicle has it's limits. Know what they are and stay within it!

My Ram 3500 is a Towing Beast, however, it is an SRW and there are things I wouldn't want to attempt to tow.

If you're getting down to counting the weight of the change in your pocket, you're too close to maxing out your trucks capabilities. You'll move your trailer, but that's not going to make for a stress free experience.
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Remember that not all 1/2 tons are created equal, either.

My 2009 Silverado 1500 Owners Manual lists 99 permutations (cab size, bed size, engine size, transmission, rear end, trailering package, etc), with towing capacities from about 4K to almost 12K. That's a pretty big spread.

The 2015 Owners Manual has 51 permutations, from 4600 to 11,800lbs.

So you can't just ask "Can a 1/2 ton pull an XXXX trailer?" You have to ask "WHICH 1/2 ton do you want to use to pull an xxxx trailer?"
that's the whole problem right there. People see someone or hear someone say they pull XXXX lbs with brand X 1/2, they figure they can do it too. Couldn't be further from the truth. The towing range on 3/4 and 1 tons is MUCH smaller
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