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Old 03-04-2017, 10:18 AM   #1
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I have. 8320 flagstaff with 9700 lbs looking to buy new truck. I was looking at the f150 econo they say that it would tow 12200 lbs and the f250 with 6.2 gas don't know what is better. What do you think
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Old 03-04-2017, 10:26 AM   #2
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I always Like to err on the side of overkill . I'm sure the F150 ecoboost would haul the trailer but I always feel like a 3/4 ton truck feels much safer handling heavier loads . Honestly and its just my opinion a 3/4 ton diesel is the only way to haul heavy loads these days . The power and engine braking and hauling capabilities are second to none . just my .02
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Old 03-04-2017, 10:31 AM   #3
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You need to look at the load capacity on the door sticker. Assume the hitch weight of the trailer is about 12% of the loaded ( not dry) trailer weight. Add about 100 lbs for the WDH and the weight of the passengers and cargo in the truck If this is over the load capacity of the truck ( not tow capacity) you should get a bigger truck. In my opinion, towing capacity is a marketing gimmick. A good way to think about this is tow capacity is the ability of the TV to tow a farm wagon ( 4 wheels) where there in no weight added to the TV and all it has to do is pull or stop it. With a TT you are adding weight to the TV frame and axles. You usually exceed load capacity before you exceed tow capacity. I would go with the 250.
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If it were me, and this is just my two cents, I would go with the extra oomph of the 250, especially for hill climbing. I just bought a new truck 9 months ago and you just can't beat the feeling! Congrats in advance.
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Old 03-04-2017, 10:43 AM   #5
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If it were me, and this is just my two cents, I would go with the extra oomph of the 250, especially for hill climbing. I just bought a new truck 9 months ago and you just can't beat the feeling! Congrats in advance.
While I don't disagree that the F250 would have stronger chassis, suspension and braking capability. The "oomph" in my mind comes from the drivetrain. A new F150 3.5 Ecoboost has 5 less horsepower but 40 more foot pounds of torque than the 6.2 V8. Teamed with the new 10 speed transmission, the Eco is a Beast. Do not even think about a baby (2.7L) boost for this trailer.

The cabs are identical now, so you are somewhat down to the issues previously listed, if it fits where you want to park it, and how much towing you will do vs daily driving in the truck.
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Old 03-04-2017, 11:28 AM   #7
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I don't have a clue. This is the most argued point on this Site.

I can only tell you what I did. Based on payload requirements (the first thing to consider, way before 'towing capacity', whatever that number really is), I traded my 3/4 ton diesel for a dually diesel one year ago today, based almost solely on what I learned here. I just got the "Happy Anniversary" card from my dealer. I then ordered a fifth wheel. The two are happily married and I'm glad I did what I did. I can't imagine towing anything that heavy with less truck. Sometimes I wish I had even more truck. I added air bags to what I have.

I also still have the gas 1/2 ton that towed that first bumper pull.....but not well.

Eco means "Turbo charged". Don't know what that has to do with torque, but I'm not a gear head.

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Old 03-04-2017, 11:36 AM   #8
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Since you already have the trailer what are you towing it with currently? I currently have a F150 and a similar weight trailer on order. Unless the F150 does much better than expected I am already planning on a 1 ton SRW, if I didn't have a truck now I would start there.
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Old 03-04-2017, 11:42 AM   #9
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Eco means "Turbo charged". Don't know what that has to do with torque, but I'm not a gear head.
Only everything . . .

3.5 Ecoboost (non-Rapter) 470 lb-ft @ 2,500 rpm
6.2 V8 430 lb-ft @ 3,800 rpm

The Eco is just barely trying at 2500 RPM while the V8 is screaming at closer to 4000 RPM and making less.


And, try any of this at altitude. The Eco (literally) blows normally aspirated V8s away.
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While I don't disagree that the F250 would have stronger chassis, suspension and braking capability. The "oomph" in my mind comes from the drivetrain. A new F150 3.5 Ecoboost has 5 less horsepower but 40 more foot pounds of torque than the 6.2 V8. Teamed with the new 10 speed transmission, the Eco is a Beast. Do not even think about a baby (2.7L) boost for this trailer.
I was talking all around oomph. I guess it depends on what you are comfortable with. If I were pulling something that is almost 10,000 lbs, I would want a little more heavy duty, especially downhill braking as I live in a mountainous area. I know the F150 is a very capable truck, though.
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I was talking all around oomph. I guess it depends on what you are comfortable with. If I were pulling something that is almost 10,000 lbs, I would want a little more heavy duty, especially downhill braking as I live in a mountainous area. I know the F150 is a very capable truck, though.
Yup, I do have PowerStop rotors with Z36 towing pads. I live at 6200ft. and rarely camp at less than 8000ft. The OP is talking gas engines, though so he doesn't gain the true engine braking of a diesel.
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Old 03-04-2017, 11:57 AM   #12
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Skip the 150. I tried that with my trailer being very similar to yours in weight. Had a 14 150 EB max tow, payload was 1560. Spent all kinds of extra money on LT tires, swaybar, etc. on the truck. Was maxed out with us and gear in the truck plus the 1150 lb tongue weight, Had a Blue OX Swaypro at first was ok but not great, then bought a ProPride made a big difference, but still the trailer outweighed the truck by so much, still kinda got pushed around. Bit the bullet and bought a 16 Ram 3500 diesel, no comparing the two trucks as far as pulling. Sure the 150 rode better and the EB is no joke as for a power plant, but the weight of the 3500 and the power of the diesel is awesome. Just my real world experience.
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Depends on the cargo capacity of the trucks. If it was me, I would only use a 150 with either a ProPride or Hensley hitch. Note that you will have a lower tongue weight with either of these hitches than you would with any of the ball mount WD hitches (Blue Ox, Anderson, etc.) due to the added length you get from the hitches (leverage / mechanical advantage). So that may help you stay under the cargo capacity of the truck. Also pretty much guarantees you can drop the tailgate while hitched.
With any of the conventional hitches, get the bigger truck, though I still recommend the Hensley or PP as a hitch.
As Catsgot9 and most posts from folks who have switched from a conventional to a PP or Hensley hitch say, the difference is night and day. They are more expensive, though you can find them used from folks moving from a TT to a 5ver. Hensley sells reconditioned hitches when available. New, both include a lifetime warranty. A search on hitches will find you days of reading, here and on other forums.
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I have. F250 now but it's a 2003 5.4 engine it pull the camper but it not enough of a truck especially going up hill. I looked at diesels but I've been reading all about the maintenance costs with them so I'm just not sure which way to go
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The one thing that is often overlooked; prior to a standing recommendation of a dually to tow a popup is how often and far the OP is going to tow. If you are going to be a full timer or planning multiple cross country trips, then by all means buy a truck to do that. If you are going to tow once or twice a year within 500 miles, then buy a truck to do that. Many of us tow somewhere in between those two and still use our trucks as trucks and as daily drivers. IOW, you need to put the personal situation into the equation.
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While I don't disagree that the F250 would have stronger chassis, suspension and braking capability. The "oomph" in my mind comes from the drivetrain. A new F150 3.5 Ecoboost has 5 less horsepower but 40 more foot pounds of torque than the 6.2 V8. Teamed with the new 10 speed transmission, the Eco is a Beast. Do not even think about a baby (2.7L) boost for this trailer.

The cabs are identical now, so you are somewhat down to the issues previously listed, if it fits where you want to park it, and how much towing you will do vs daily driving in the truck.

I own a 2016 F150 4x4 supercrew with the 2.7 Ecoboost. It is every b it the beast the 3.5 EB is. I tow a 30WIKSS V-Lite (7750 lbs dry) with an EQ WDH (Just got a new Propride 3P but haven't installed it yet) and the truck has more than enough power, all brakes work well, trans temp has never exceeded 203 degrees.

Most folks on this forum no very little about the Ecoboost capabilities, especially the 2.7
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I meant "know very little"....
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I have. F250 now but it's a 2003 5.4 engine it pull the camper but it not enough of a truck especially going up hill. I looked at diesels but I've been reading all about the maintenance costs with them so I'm just not sure which way to go
if you have a 250 now you will be downgrading if you get a 150!

everyone that owns an ecoboost will say its great. it is a great engine, but thats one piece of the puzzle!

the trailer will out weigh the truck by a considerable amount and the trailer is long. even the propride wont get you the same stable feeling as a 250. been there done that with 2 ram trucks.

question I ask is this your last trailer? if no get an HD diesel and dont worry about the maintenance
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lots more than horsepower to think about when towing. The larger/longer/heavier the truck is, the more stable it will be on rough roads and windy conditions. Having more truck than you need makes the drive SO much nicer.
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