Truck issues ruin vacation

[babock]

Originally Posted by alsdas88

Corporate greed showing at its finest here folks!!

My company designs/sells internet protocol test equipment. We build the exact same card with the exact amount of memory and hardware for the purchaser that buys the full blown feature set vs the low end feature set. The purchaser can later upgrade to extended function/features and memory by purchasing a software license that enables the other features. No different than what Tesla does and it is NOT corporate greed.

Returning to our regularly scheduled programming about the OP's issue.

[m2kamp]

To the OP, sorry to hear about your troubles. Hope you can resolve your situation to your satisfaction in the end.

FWIW regarding Ford, I have never left a Ford dealer happy. Be it for a purchase, shopping or warranty service especially. I've lived in many places, including overseas, and always the same results. Arrogance (sales/shopping). I believe the service departments are trained to deny warranty claims off the bat.

"Its not our vehicles' fault, they are perfect, it must be you, the stupid owner who broke it."

I'm a marine engineer, prior Navy and OCD with upkeep and maintenance. I've owned five Ford/Lincoln vehicles in the past 15 years and while I did love the Ford Ranger I had years ago(it never had to go back to the dealer), I gave up on them entirely about four years ago. Much happier now.

[SailorSam20500]

Originally Posted by babock

My company designs/sells internet protocol test equipment. We build the exact same card with the exact amount of memory and hardware for the purchaser that buys the full blown feature set vs the low end feature set. The purchaser can later upgrade to extended function/features and memory by purchasing a software license that enables the other features. No different than what Tesla does and it is NOT corporate greed.

Returning to our regularly scheduled programming about the OP's issue.

X2. You are buying a specific capability. If you want more capability it costs more. There are lots of marketing models that follow this design. I worked for a computer hardware/software company that sold capacity on demand. Installed system was bigger than the customer wanted or needed, but the needs often grew over time. It was a lot less expensive for both the supplier and customer to license just the needed capacity and capability. Bottom line, on the limited capacity side, there was little profit. As the remaining capacity was licensed, the manufacturer finally realized the profit on the system.

[aeblank]

Originally Posted by SailorSam20500

X2. You are buying a specific capability. If you want more capability it costs more. There are lots of marketing models that follow this design. I worked for a computer hardware/software company that sold capacity on demand. Installed system was bigger than the customer wanted or needed, but the needs often grew over time. It was a lot less expensive for both the supplier and customer to license just the needed capacity and capability. Bottom line, on the limited capacity side, there was little profit. As the remaining capacity was licensed, the manufacturer finally realized the profit on the system.

You got it all wrong. All corporations are evil and greedy. Corporate profits are horrible things.

Of course a person trying to do the same is just looking out for his family.

Bleah. Shouldn't need the sarcasm tag, right?

Messed up when a phone call and credit card makes your car go further. Even though, my truck is credit card powered as well. Haha.

[babock]

Originally Posted by CaptnJohn

If you think so but since not even sold at the same dealerships,,, but not really important anyway. Add them both and they still to not .....

Within 3%. GM was higher in '15...Ford higher in '16 so depends on the year. Exactly...not important which was the intent of my post responding to yours that Ford sells more trucks.

[Bluepill]

Simple answer to late model truck problems:

Take a '57 Chevy C10



Add a'70 Caddy 500 CI motor



For 1970 Cadillac fitted a crankshaft with a 4.304 in (109.3 mm) stroke, increasing total displacement on the engine to 500 cu in (8.2 L). At introduction it was rated at 400 hp (298 kW), SAE gross, and 550 lbf·ft (750 N·m) of torque.

Great Gas tow vehicle with tons of torque, and not a single emissions control device.

[BGKirkham]

Originally Posted by alsdas88

In an article I read today detailing that exact question, Tesla penalizes buyers of their cheaper models intentionally and DOES allow that extended feature to be permanent for a price of $4500 to $9000 depending on the model the unsuspecting buyer bought. They even admitted in that article that the batteries used in all their current production models are exactly the same. They use a software program to control the amount of "use" an owner can get from the battery.
In that article, they also stated the temporary "patch" would be rescinded next week, returning those cars to their original configuration unless the owners paid the "fee" mentioned above.
Corporate greed showing at its finest here folks!!

"Penalizes buyers" "Corporate greed" Seriously? Does Lexus penalize buyers because they don't sell them their cars for the price of a Camry? Do you believe that the "big three" don't have features that are software enabled depending package level? Even horsepower levels can be set by software for the same engine depending on which package you buy. What you're saying is that buyers of the base model somehow have the right to have the same features as those who spend more for the luxury package.

[m2kamp]

Originally Posted by oldjim

glad to hear some of you guys are jumping off the ford bandwagon, easier for me to find the one I want next year. GM showed me what they thought of my business years ago. no more government motors for me. and dodges are cheaper for a reason. cheaper built.

I would agree that Dodges are cheaper built if you're talking about the last generation 2008 and older, probably your point of reference. Have you sat or ridden in one lately? (lol oops did I steal a Ford slogan?) Take a look under each of the big three HD trucks hood and frame.

Ford was the worst, what a mess and only in 2017 did they decide to finally fully box the frame and copy the current Rams 3 link HD front suspension.

Independent front suspension doesn't belong on an HD truck IMO (sorry GM, should also e-coat the frames instead of using wax over bare steel) Standard rear wheel well liners across the board on Ram too.

I stopped drinking the Ford kool aid a few years ago.

[MT Biker]

I don't even know what this topic is about anymore...

[aceinspp]

Originally Posted by MT Biker

I don't even know what this topic is about anymore...

I thinks they were talking about junk Fords Later RJD

[Brickie]

Ford 6.0 and 6.4 and 2011 6.7's are terrible.
The Ford 6.2 gas is rock solid.

[AudiDudi]

Originally Posted by Brickie

Ford 6.0 and 6.4 and 2011 6.7's are terrible.
The Ford 6.2 gas is rock solid.

The Ford 7.3 diesel is rock solid also. 195k and going strong with a Diablo Predator tuner adding 60 horses thru the 4 inch MBRP SS exhaust.

[SlowrideHD]

Originally Posted by aceinspp

Thats because you have to junk them with all the problems folks have. Only reason Ford no 1 Later RJD

That hardly seems a reasonable statement.

[BandJCarm]

Originally Posted by MT Biker

I don't even know what this topic is about anymore...

No?

Here's a synopsis.

Vehicle manufacturers should be Communistic and give their stuff free except those who borrowed money or governments, or they should never borrow money, or not be owned by Italians, or never have any dissatisfied customers, and some software might go in some of them and a lot of folks know software better than vehicles (hey, me too!!) and no one hates diesels except those that hate gas more and vacations, which the bourgeoisie still enjoy on occasion but that makes them camp different than the rest of us, and lastly I have no idea

[510Rick]

I like the trucks just not the powertrain . The Powerstroke Diesel hasn't been very reliable since they went to the 6.0 . I work for a government fleet and ALL OF OUR PS DIESELS have had the cab off at one time or another . I do not recommend them . You can go to any Ford dealer any where that sells PS trucks and see a truck or three in the service bay with the cab off .

[Oakman]

Originally Posted by AudiDudi

The Ford 7.3 diesel is rock solid also. 195k and going strong with a Diablo Predator tuner adding 60 horses thru the 4 inch MBRP SS exhaust.

That's all fine and dandy except you're not using it to tow a 10,000 pound fifth wheel around the country. The last year for that engine was 2003 making them 14 years old and while the engines may have plenty miles left in them the rest of the truck would be very unreliable.

[AudiDudi]

Originally Posted by Oakman

That's all fine and dandy except you're not using it to tow a 10,000 pound fifth wheel around the country. The last year for that engine was 2003 making them 14 years old and while the engines may have plenty miles left in them the rest of the truck would be very unreliable.

Speak for your self. I've towed a 7500lb TT 10's of thousands of miles with it. (sold it last week after owning it for 19 years). The rest of the truck has been well maintained and has no issues. Cosmetically, it looks pretty new. I wouldn't hesitate to drive cross country in it.

The 85 F250 6.9 (Banks) I had went close to 350k.

[oldjim]

nothing like a lively conversation. obviously one can get a lemon with any brand. (except Yamaha motorcycles, 2004 Road Star) love my 2009 F-150, will get another when this one needs more repairs than I want to spend. My old Daddy always said your either making payments on a new one or making repairs on an old one. See y'all at the campground!

[Oakman]

Originally Posted by AudiDudi

Speak for your self. I've towed a 7500lb TT 10's of thousands of miles with it. (sold it last week after owning it for 19 years). The rest of the truck has been well maintained and has no issues. Cosmetically, it looks pretty new. I wouldn't hesitate to drive cross country in it.

The 85 F250 6.9 (Banks) I had went close to 350k.

Don’t take offense, I wasn’t talking about your truck specifically. My point is towing a 10,000 with a 14 year old truck or older is likely to have issues on a 2600 mile roundtrip. Properly maintained or not they are a lot of components that can break or malfunction, water pump, radiator, transmission, etc.

[5picker]

Originally Posted by oldjim

nothing like a lively conversation. obviously one can get a lemon with any brand. (except Yamaha motorcycles, 2004 Road Star) love my 2009 F-150, will get another when this one needs more repairs than I want to spend. My old Daddy always said your either making payments on a new one or making repairs on an old one. See y'all at the campground!

Amen.

I know of no full fledged dealership anywhere in the US, selling the major brands that doesn't have a service department... they ALL break down.