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Old 11-05-2012, 08:22 PM   #1
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2013 Rockwood 8280 Diamond Pkg ?

Hi all. We currently own a Sabre 32QBDS and are looking at going back to a more manageable 5er. We really like the Rockwood 8280WS or the Flagstaff 8528RKS. I have some questions:

1. Are these units exactly the same?
2. Any preference in build quality or options?
3. We noticed the floor layout on FR website for the Rockwood shows the toilet in a different position (in the rounded corner) with a full-height cabinet where the toilet used to be. I found one model that has this. What's funny is that eveyone we have looked at have the toilet with a dinky cab above and nothing in the curved wall area.
4. OK question on the stereo. Jensen or Genesys? Prefer the Jensen. Genesys gets poor reception, worthless sub-woofer and outside speakers are very tinny.
5. We love the framelsee windows. What is the Thermo Pane Window? Is this a double?

Both units are very nice with almost everything we want in our unit. We really miss having a rear kitchen with a 30-31' 5 er.

Thanks for any feedback on these units.
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:34 PM   #2
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Just one thing. Your Sabre probably has 5/8ths inch thick plywood in the floor. The Rockwood/Flagstaffs use a vacuum-bonded luan/styrofoam/luan sandwich, and that luan isn't very thick.
Because of that, there is the potential for soft spots to appear, as the luan and styrofoam gets crushed, especially in high traffic areas.
I'm not saying it is a deal-breaker, but just be aware of it.

Unfortunately, this sandwich floor construction is becoming very common, and I think it is just a way for the factory to save money.
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:45 PM   #3
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I read something about that. Always a little nervous about the super lites. Our last unit was a Jayco and it had some skimpy things done to it so it would be lighter. Considered the Wildcat Maxx (West coast) - like the bones of the unit (16" tires, 6000 axle, big appliances - fridge, oven, WH, big tanks, lots of flood/ceiling insulation (R38)) but the DW did not like the interior decor, seemed a little cheap or at least not as nice as the Rockwood/Flagstaff. It's GVWR is 11,615, but it has a CCC of 3,100 so I had some leeway and don't travle with 4 50 gal tanks full. Thought it might be real nice towing the 8280WS. Probably wouldn't even know it's back there.
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:16 PM   #4
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We absolutely love out 8280WS. The toilet is under one cabinet. There are two cabs in the bathroom alone and more than enough storage through out. The radio is a Genesis and mine broke the first month. They do not have good ratings but that's a minor problem overall. Being ultralight I tow it with a Ford F150 6cyl EcoBoost with max tow very nicely. Not many 30' 5ers can be towed with a 1/2 ton pickup.
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:18 PM   #5
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They are light, but they are still fairly tall, and so still push a lot of wind.
I also thought I wouldn't feel it with our F250 diesel, but I do know it is back there.
But you are right, the fit and finish, and general rich look to the campers, are a real attraction.
We actually love our "lightweight" Flagstaff fifth.
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pwb01, that EcoBeast is not really a "half-ton", as the payload capacity is greater than some older 3/4 tons.
My friend pulled our fifth home one day with his EcoBeast, and to be honest, I couldn't see much difference between it and our F250 with the 7.3 diesel.
But I wouldn't pull with a Dodge or Chev 1/2 ton, as the pin weight alone maxes out their payload capacity, even with these "lightweight" fifths.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:21 AM   #7
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We toured the factory when we picked up our FW in Indiana last month. We did not get the Diamond package, as we prefer to have the windows open a bit more than the frameless windows do.

Also, it was stated in the tour, that now there is an option for a second a/c unit, due to the darker roof material. Just something to consider.
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:11 PM   #8
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Also, it was stated in the tour, that now there is an option for a second a/c unit, due to the darker roof material. Just something to consider.
Very good to know. Even a pre-wiring option for a 2nd A/C will require 50A service. The 50A service would be great to have even without actually having the 2nd A/C. You'll find that 30A service is lacking to be able to run everything.

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Old 11-06-2012, 05:38 PM   #9
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I understand what ur saying Dave. We have 50A in our Sabre and my problem with that is the size, weight and amt of storage it takes-up. We've always had 30A running electric w/h, 15 k A/C and our ceramic heater witout any problems. Of course we don't run them all at the same time.

Now if we could only decide on the 5th wheel we want - Flagstaff, Rockwood or Wildcat

Thanks, Mike
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pwb01, that EcoBeast is not really a "half-ton", as the payload capacity is greater than some older 3/4 tons.
My friend pulled our fifth home one day with his EcoBeast, and to be honest, I couldn't see much difference between it and our F250 with the 7.3 diesel.
But I wouldn't pull with a Dodge or Chev 1/2 ton, as the pin weight alone maxes out their payload capacity, even with these "lightweight" fifths.
True, the capacities make it more than a 1/2 ton eventhough "everybody knows" an F150 is a 1/2 ton. I think the pin load cap alone is 1800#. EcoBeast, I like that.

The light weight Rockwood is a good match where you only need a $35,000 tow vehicle and not a $60,000 one.
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