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Old 03-03-2015, 05:15 PM   #11
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Thanks for comments. I will look at the fords. I have always been a ford fan until they stopped making the 7.3 diesel and was a dodge fan until they stopped making the 5.9. I have a 2015 ford 250 gas engine as a work truck but haven't pulled with it yet. I will check out the f150's. What exactly do I need to look for on them?
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Old 03-04-2015, 09:00 AM   #12
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I will check out the f150's. What exactly do I need to look for on them?
You will get a lot of different opinions here, as well. I'm just some guy on the Internet- but I'll throw out my thoughts. Keep in mind that I am speaking for 13-14 models and haven't done much research on the 15's. The HD Payload option will give the highest numbers. I am confident you will NOT find a 2014 on a lot- so plan to order and wait for a 2015. Payload typically will likely be in the low to mid 2K range on a reasonably loaded SCrew 4x4. Down from that is the MaxTow package. You will likely not find one of these in a 14 model on a lot, either. But there are more of these than there are HD's. Payload typically runs in the high teens to 2K-ish on these. And then there is the regular Tow package. If you go this route, you will most likely have a payload in the 1400-1600 range. I chose to go this route mainly because it was difficult to find either a MaxTow or HD truck anywhere near me. If you go this route, make sure to get the 3.55 gear ratio as many of them come with 3.31 ratio axles that I would not recommend. My truck is an XLT and has the 302A package meaning it has the built in trailer brake controller and back up camera- as well as a few other goodies. It also has the 20" wheel option, giving it the exact same rear springs as the MaxTow. I added the Ford tow mirrors. Therefore, the only differences between my truck and the MaxTow version are: 51 tube versus 41 tube radiator, different steering ratio and an "upgraded" rear bumper and hitch. Seeing as how there are no structural differences at all between a standard tow and MaxTow, there is no reasonable explanation for a difference in payload rating. After having towed 9K plus across the country on a couple of occasions now, I am confident the 3.73 gears aren't necessary with the Ecoboost and a 6 speed tranny. Gobs of low end torque and lots of gears greatly decreases the need of low rear axle gears, IMHO. I've attached a chart that helped me come to these conclusions. It is for 2013 models, but I think it applies to 14 models as well. 2015s are a whole new animal, so some new research might be in order there. Good luck.
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Old 03-04-2015, 09:05 AM   #13
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dustman_stx, thanks for the info. What kind of TT are you pulling with your truck?
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Old 03-04-2015, 09:42 AM   #14
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Just recently picked up my 2015 Palomino Puma 31-BHSS. Had the joy of pulling it home from Ohio through the massive snow/ice storm that hit Kentucky and Tennessee about a week and a half ago. I have a ProPride hitch and had no problems. I am running the BFGoodrich TA KO2 tires also, which offer really good winter traction. There were cars and semis littering the roadsides. The fact that I was running 40 the bulk of the time while they were flying by me at 60+ could have something to do with that.
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Old 03-04-2015, 10:16 AM   #15
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You will get a lot of different opinions here, as well. I'm just some guy on the Internet- but I'll throw out my thoughts. Keep in mind that I am speaking for 13-14 models and haven't done much research on the 15's. The HD Payload option will give the highest numbers. I am confident you will NOT find a 2014 on a lot- so plan to order and wait for a 2015. Payload typically will likely be in the low to mid 2K range on a reasonably loaded SCrew 4x4. Down from that is the MaxTow package. You will likely not find one of these in a 14 model on a lot, either. But there are more of these than there are HD's. Payload typically runs in the high teens to 2K-ish on these. And then there is the regular Tow package. If you go this route, you will most likely have a payload in the 1400-1600 range. I chose to go this route mainly because it was difficult to find either a MaxTow or HD truck anywhere near me. If you go this route, make sure to get the 3.55 gear ratio as many of them come with 3.31 ratio axles that I would not recommend. My truck is an XLT and has the 302A package meaning it has the built in trailer brake controller and back up camera- as well as a few other goodies. It also has the 20" wheel option, giving it the exact same rear springs as the MaxTow. I added the Ford tow mirrors. Therefore, the only differences between my truck and the MaxTow version are: 51 tube versus 41 tube radiator, different steering ratio and an "upgraded" rear bumper and hitch. Seeing as how there are no structural differences at all between a standard tow and MaxTow, there is no reasonable explanation for a difference in payload rating. After having towed 9K plus across the country on a couple of occasions now, I am confident the 3.73 gears aren't necessary with the Ecoboost and a 6 speed tranny. Gobs of low end torque and lots of gears greatly decreases the need of low rear axle gears, IMHO. I've attached a chart that helped me come to these conclusions. It is for 2013 models, but I think it applies to 14 models as well. 2015s are a whole new animal, so some new research might be in order there. Good luck.
X2 on Dustman says on options giving higher ratings.

I have King Ranch and in Canada they are all maxed out as most horseman haul a gooseneck with them. I have no air bags or timbrens, no need, the rig is level with 1900 lbs on the pin and empty box in the back. Load is in the trailer. The hills I have been on in northern Ontario are not mountains but 6 to 10 degree hills are common occurrences.
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Old 03-04-2015, 01:54 PM   #16
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Hobo, I pull a LaCrosse 308res with a 2012 Ram 1500 4x4 hemi. I have had no problems and have towed it a little over 10,000 mi. I did put a $100 set of 1000# air bags inside the rear coils to dampen the bounce when crossing bridges. They tightened things up nicely I'm running 3.92 gears and have a tow rating of 10,050#. Maybe not the perfect combo in some eyes, but it has worked well for me.
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Hobo, I pull a LaCrosse 308res with a 2012 Ram 1500 4x4 hemi. I have had no problems and have towed it a little over 10,000 mi. I did put a $100 set of 1000# air bags inside the rear coils to dampen the bounce when crossing bridges. They tightened things up nicely I'm running 3.92 gears and have a tow rating of 10,050#. Maybe not the perfect combo in some eyes, but it has worked well for me.
I wasn't sure if you could install airbags on the coil setups. Apparently so- this would address the main issue of towing with the Ram. I still like being able to pull hills without revving, but a lot of people really like towing with the Hemi.
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Talking about trucks is like politics; we all get set in our ways. It's interesting that you guys can have this conversation and still remain civil. Good job!
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Talking about trucks is like politics; we all get set in our ways. It's interesting that you guys can have this conversation and still remain civil. Good job!
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