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Old 09-23-2007, 06:40 PM   #1
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HI All i am fairly new to this forums but have read many post on here about carlisle tires and how you should have them balanced. Well i did that and found them to all be out of round and so far off balance that the tire guy i went to said he would threw them in the dumpster if he was me.They were 7.50oz off on the one side and 3.50 on the other (well these number came off the balance machine if you know how to read it ) 7.50oz is extremely off, any way i went home and called carlisle tire and told them how bad the tires where and they are sending me four new ones so thanks for being on top of thing for everyone and sharing info like you guys do i have a 2008 Rockwood Signature Ultra Lite 8296SS bought new in May i just wanted to share this with everyone Thanks Chevy02
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Old 09-24-2007, 07:53 AM   #2
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Glad you got your tire issue taken care of. I am a firm believer in having trailer tires balanced. By taking yours to get balanced you discovered what could have been a MAJOR problem on the road. Great!!
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:22 AM   #3
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Whenever I get my new set of whatever tire I get I will have them balanced.
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the tire guy i went to said he would threw them in the dumpster if he was me.
No doubt that was most excellent advice.
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Old 09-25-2007, 12:28 AM   #5
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Hi fellow campers Just wanted to update you guys my new tires arrived today but i have not had time to get them mounted but when i do i will repost the results thanks guys Chevy02
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:18 AM   #6
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Hello every one, This is my first time here. I have viewed a lot of posting that I can relate too. I am a sad owener of a rockwood 8314SS 2006 model.I would like to respond about tires. I have two carlisle tires on the back axial and two ultra cart on the front axial, this is from the factory. The tire size are ST 205 75 R15 C, max weight limit @ 50 P.S.I is 1820 LBS X 4 = 7280 max load. My camper at max [ GVWR ] is 7910. I spoke to my machanic about the problem, he suggested COOPER TIRES. ST 225 R15 D they are an 8 PLY instead of 6 ply. the weight rating is also increased with 8PLY. the higher the last letter the higher the weight limit . Most camper are not weighed they are approx, how ever I heard that the approx weights has been off as much as 1800 LBS. The ST 225 R15 D tire are about an 1 to 2 inchs taller then the ST 205 R15 C the cost for the ST 225 R15 D is about $150.00 each. I will be changing my tires to the ST 225 R15 D after I install a new front axial due to a wheel bearing failure on an AL-KO axial. I hope this info helps others. til next time, have a nice day.
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Old 09-25-2007, 07:46 AM   #7
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These are the coopers..they are 75R:

Custom Trailer Plus ST225/75R15 113 S 0 D rim size: 6 - 7 Measured rim width 6 section width: 9.05 overall diameter 28.26 tread width 6.84 max load2540 tread depth 9.5
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Old 09-25-2007, 08:08 AM   #8
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I've been looking at this tire issue since we bought the trailer. i too am in the same boat with a GVWR of nearly 7700 lbs and a tire capacity of 7280. I have been looking at D rated tires and found the coopers to be seamingly the best. However, locally I cannot find them for less than 185.00 per tire. So, my conundrum is to wait until I blow up the current tires, or 1000 bucks miracles its way here. The biggest question I have is why would FR open itself up to an obvious lawsuit by putting tires on a trailer incapable of supporting the loaded trailer? Interesting, I think I will call and ask them. I may raise such a stink, they replace the tires.
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Hello every one, This is my first time here. I have viewed a lot of posting that I can relate too. I am a sad owener of a rockwood 8314SS 2006 model.I would like to respond about tires. I have two carlisle tires on the back axial and two ultra cart on the front axial, this is from the factory. The tire size are ST 205 75 R15 C, max weight limit @ 50 P.S.I is 1820 LBS X 4 = 7280 max load. My camper at max [ GVWR ] is 7910. I spoke to my machanic about the problem, he suggested COOPER TIRES. ST 225 R15 D they are an 8 PLY instead of 6 ply. the weight rating is also increased with 8PLY. the higher the last letter the higher the weight limit . Most camper are not weighed they are approx, how ever I heard that the approx weights has been off as much as 1800 LBS. The ST 225 R15 D tire are about an 1 to 2 inchs taller then the ST 205 R15 C the cost for the ST 225 R15 D is about $150.00 each. I will be changing my tires to the ST 225 R15 D after I install a new front axial due to a wheel bearing failure on an AL-KO axial. I hope this info helps others. til next time, have a nice day.
Wheel bearings can fail on ANY type of axle.
The TT manuf. reasoning for such low weitht capacity is that some of the load is distributed to the hitch and front tow vehicle axle, thus allowing them to spec a lower grade tire for our TTs. Even though the Coopers are pricey they are far and above just about anything else out there. Don't forget that the extra inches are divided in half, i.e., half above the center axle and half below the center axle. So in theroy you may be OK with the room for the tire. Just make sure when you change tires you look on the rim(wheel) and see what the max tire air pressure is for your particular rims(wheels). I believe that Cooper tires can be aired up to 80 psi, you want to make sure your rims will support those pressures. The problem I am having deciding to use Cooper is the availability if the problem arises. Here where I live they have to order them special from somewhere up north.

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Old 09-25-2007, 08:19 AM   #10
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I've been looking at this tire issue since we bought the trailer. i too am in the same boat with a GVWR of nearly 7700 lbs and a tire capacity of 7280. I have been looking at D rated tires and found the coopers to be seamingly the best. However, locally I cannot find them for less than 185.00 per tire. So, my conundrum is to wait until I blow up the current tires, or 1000 bucks miracles its way here. The biggest question I have is why would FR open itself up to an obvious lawsuit by putting tires on a trailer incapable of supporting the loaded trailer? Interesting, I think I will call and ask them. I may raise such a stink, they replace the tires.
That is interesting. My rig came with D rated tires and had about 300lbs to spare for GVWR. After my 1st blowout (metal in road) I replaced that tire with an E and purchased a second spare also an E. I run the 2 E tires one on each side along with the original Ds.

I don't think I would run with under rated tires. I'm paranoid about that. Blowouts can cause MAJOR damage. I've been lucky so far with my blowouts that they have not caused any major damage. This last one only the inside sidwall got destroyed, no tread seperation. Had the tread seperated I would have bee replacing the plumbing.

Call up FR and ask 'em. Raise a smell and let us know how it goes.
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Old 09-25-2007, 08:22 AM   #11
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I can see the reasoning with the hitch absorbing some of the weight, but why cut it so close, when the cost difference to FR would be like 120 bucks that they could easily pass on in the price.
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Old 10-01-2007, 10:45 PM   #12
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Just wanted to update on my tire problems. i had received the four tire last Monday didnt have time to get them mounted until today and all four tire checked out to be alot better then old one they balanced them with a little side wieght (not the 7.50oz the others had) Tire guy say they should be just fine except that they are Carlisle they where rolling straight, tread was straight, no wobble from being out of round now i am going to try and get them to pay the $44 to have them mounted which i see as only right for them to do just wanted to let you guyknow what was going on

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Old 10-02-2007, 05:30 AM   #13
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I started camping in 2000, when I pick up my new fleetwood mallard 29 foot camper, one thing I ask the dealer at time of delievery If I have a flat will one tire support the weight of the camper on one side, they said it should. Well from that time on I didn't think about it again. after all camping was new to me. I now have 2006 rockwood 8314 SS. This thread relates to the one I posted on 9-25-07. Two weeks ago I was returning home from the Hersey RV show, I was about 5 miles from home when a lady pulled up along side of me and said that my right tire was smoking, I pulled over and sure enough it was the bearings not the tire. At this point there was not a thing I could do, but try to get it home. And I did but very slowly. I backed my camper in the driveway and the bearings were falling out of the drum. I used an E-Z JACK to lift the camper, I check out the wheel, the only thing that was holding the wheel on was the washer and the bearing nut. The spindle was damaged, I now have to replace the axle. I ordered the parts from the dealer. I checked the air pressure in the other 3 tires @ 50 psi ,I noticed that the tire that stands alone is on it's side wall with max air pressure. I called forest river about towing my camper for repairs they said, if it is a short trip go slow I said how about 15 miles they said NO. My camper is setting in my drive way with 3 tires on it waiting for a new axle I ordered two weeks ago. Yesterday I recieved A call that my new axle was in. I went to pick it up, When got there I noticed that it had been DROPPED and is damaged, I don't know what is going to happen now. The point I am making is that I suggest to check your weight limits empty and full, to see if one tire will support the weight of your camper. If you have a bearing lose and you are in the middle of nowere you might be in deep trouble. I was lucky. Forest river said that I could very well blow out that single tire and possible damage the other bearing and also frame damage.
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Old 10-03-2007, 12:17 AM   #14
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Ok so i call carlisle tire today and asked if they were going to pay to have these tire mounted and balanced and they agreed to pay all expenses all i have to do is fax my reciept to them. That went smoother then i expected it to go
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Outstanding!!
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Old 10-03-2007, 08:20 AM   #16
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I agree with Greg, awesome job! Maybe we will call you
to advocate for us with the manufactueres(sp). Seems
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Old 10-03-2007, 09:05 AM   #17
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I am sure as a major manufacturer, they will treat you right if you do as Chevy did. Most people don't bother calling in and complaining, so they take care of those who do. As they should.
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Old 10-09-2007, 05:01 AM   #18
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Just a quick up date on cooper tires, I found that cooper makes a different tire called road king. This tire is rated a little higher for weight @ 2600lbs, at 65 psi max, and at about $91.00 each mounted and bal. This tire size is an ST225 R75/ 15 D rated. 8 ply.
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Old 10-26-2007, 12:14 AM   #19
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Just wanted to let everyone know i did get a refund $44 from carlisle tire for my cost of mounting and balancing those new tire they sent me
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Just wanted to let everyone know i did get a refund $44 from carlisle tire for my cost of mounting and balancing those new tire they sent me
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