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03-16-2015, 09:14 AM
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City water
First trip out after having trailer is de-winterized. We hooked up city water and this morning woke up to water coming out the water tank fill spout. I feel reasonably sure that it has somehow filled the water tank. Anyone have any ideal what I may have done wrong?
City water connection
Water tank fill spout
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03-16-2015, 09:19 AM
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Most likely your water pump internal check valve is leaking back and fill fresh water tank....
http://www.forestriverforums.com/for...lve-57615.html
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03-16-2015, 09:22 AM
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There should be a check valve that closes the connection to the tank from the city water connection. Most of the time it's part of the pump so you may need to take the pump apart and see if something is caught in the check valve. There are lots of videos and instructions on youtube that shows you exactly what to do.
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03-16-2015, 09:26 AM
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As pappcan and fonzie stated, it has to be a faulty check valve in the 12v water pump.
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03-16-2015, 07:50 PM
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Do you by chance have the pump on while hooked up to city waters?
If so, turn the pump off, disconnect city water, turn pump on and run some water thru then turn pump off and reconnect city water.
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03-17-2015, 07:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Indymule
Do you by chance have the pump on while hooked up to city waters?
If so, turn the pump off, disconnect city water, turn pump on and run some water thru then turn pump off and reconnect city water.
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Best answer.
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03-17-2015, 08:54 AM
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Everyone of you nailed it. There is a check valve in front of the pump. I turned it and seems that was the issue. I never carry fresh water so I also had to drain the fresh water tank.
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03-17-2015, 08:59 AM
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I think that is the winterizing valve so you can draw anti-freeze from a jug outside. It switches from fresh water tank to outside anti-freeze input.......the check valve is part of the pump..you can see it in your first picture.
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03-17-2015, 09:06 AM
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OK. Well during the process I also ran water through the pump. At any rate it does not appear that we are getting water in the tank. I will keep an eye on it.
I don't know why this year has been such a bear. I also smoked the element on the hot water heater. Based on other threads on this forum I have already changed it out but doesn't appear to be heating yet.
Working on that now.
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03-17-2015, 09:09 AM
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You have to make sure you have water in water heater before using electric otherwise element will burn. Also you have to turn water heater by-pass valves to summer postion
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03-17-2015, 09:10 AM
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Yes, that's how I burned the element out. When I change the element out I made sure I had water in it before I turned the electricity back on. Just doesn't appear to be heating yet.
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03-17-2015, 09:52 AM
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Fonzie,
For some reason I can't see the two pictures you posted.
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03-17-2015, 10:02 AM
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Fonzie, this is the present position of the valves on mine. Does this look correct?
I do know that there is water in the heater now, just not heating after changing the element.
I guess next step is to start checking voltages unless anyone can think of something I may have missed.
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03-17-2015, 10:05 AM
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If you can't see my pictures maybe because your're not on a computer? Also I can not see the last picture you posted. Did you make sure ac breaker is on, ac switch is on and press the hi-limit reset button. What model heater do you have? Here a good video on how to check......
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03-17-2015, 10:17 AM
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Fonzie,
You are correct, I am on an iPhone. So I will try a word description.
On the back of our hot water heater there is a red line and a blue line both of those valves are open. There is a third valve with lines that run between the red and the blue. Presently, I have that valve closed.
Does that sound correct.
Again, when I supplied water to the RV after changing out the heating element I did hear water going into the hot water heater.
And, thanks for all of your help.
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03-17-2015, 10:22 AM
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Your description sounds OK. The open valves handles would line up with the water line and the by-pass valve handle would be 90 degrees to water line.
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03-17-2015, 11:46 AM
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fonzie,
I was able to view your pictures of the valves on my iPad via wifi and I do have them set up correctly.
Still not getting any electric heating though. Gas does work.
I verified all breakers are on at the power panel and switch by water heater is on. Tried the reset button on outside but water heater. Still no hot water. Now if I just had a volt ohm meter.......
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03-17-2015, 11:51 AM
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03-18-2015, 03:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Klbrown53
Fonzie, this is the present position of the valves on mine. Does this look correct?
I do know that there is water in the heater now, just not heating after changing the element.
I guess next step is to start checking voltages unless anyone can think of something I may have missed.
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Other items to check:
Thermostat under black cover outside often fail open. There are two under the cover 12 vdc and 110 AC. There are two high temp trips same voltages push to reset doesn't always work, use meter to confirm..
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03-21-2015, 10:24 PM
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City water
Update:
Home for two nights and then out for four more days. I verified that after changing the water heater heating element and still not heating water via 110 volts that the emergency cut off thermostat was also blown. I picked up another today to change out when we get to our next campground. Lesson learned, DO NOT plug in shore power until you know water heater is full of water.
Thx vinceU and fonzie for the suggestions.
As for the city water problem coming out of either the fresh water inlet overflow or the anti freeze inlet,
I have the anti freeze inlet valve open so that if it backs up now it will come out the anti freeze inlet instead of going into the fresh water tank. After having problems all week with it the day before we headed home after having run the water pump several times it stopped leaking. So, I hope that if something was lodged in the water pump check valve that it finally broke loose. Jury is still out on that one.
As painful as it has been boy have I learned a lot about the water system through all this......
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