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Old 03-25-2016, 03:13 PM   #11
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It is good when one can expand one's knowledge. The 6.0 was called a Vortec and it was used in the gasoline powered 2500, and came in a top end package in the 2008 Silverado with moon roof, 20" wheels, etc.

To help you expand on this. All gm truck engines were called vortec until I think it was the 2013 model year when the name changed to ecotec. The 6.0 that came in the 1/2 was called a vortecmax and a badge was put on the door above the 1500 tag.
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Ahh...I hate this conversations because honestly there will never be a right or wrong answer because it is subjective. So here is my rant, I apologize a head of time...

Subjective: What might be safe to me may not be safe to you. I might find it fun to drive a race car around a track at 120 mph but you might not...pretty much the same thing when talking about a 1/2 ton pulling...as long as you are within the safety limits provided and a properly equipped truck, meaning within your weight limits and so on. Several will argue with this but again start from the beginning and read it over...we all view things differently...but as long as you are within posted limits it turns into what you as a person feel or believe...

Meat and Potatoes: I have read several threads stating the stopping power of a 1/2 ton when towing bigger trailers is an issue also emergency maneuvering is or could be and so on. Well I have an issue with that. As long as you are within your ratings then you should be fine. The manufacturers have tested this and that is why they set limits...They are not saying I can tow 15,000 lbs...could I maybe but of course not safely because I am above the posted limits...argue what you want...I know you will anyway...Your trailer tires are rated for 65 mph...can you go over that sure...should you probably not...but if you stay within the rating listed than you are most likely going to get the best result(China Bombs or not)...I feel like 1/2 ton truck have a target on them...
You always hear bigger is almost always better...of course...if I towed my 5er with a big rig case closed...People always seem to point out 1/2 ton trucks towing in the upper 3/4's of their limits and how crazy or unsafe that is to people...which to some it is and to some it is not, go up and re-read the "subjective" section if you need too. What you rarely hear is people pointing out 3/4 ton or 1 ton trucks that are towing at the upper 3/4's of their limits. IMO that is the same scenario, I will agree they have better brakes and axles...but again they are pulling bigger loads so does that mean they can stop better...turn better...or emergency maneuver any better??

Dessert: This argument will continue forever. I am not saying that I disagree with some points that are made. In fact my next truck in 2 years will probably be a 3/4 or 1 ton. But that is only because I can see us upgrading to a bigger 5er not because I feel my 1/2 ton is not up to the task. Thank you for reading I am sure I will catch all kinds of heat for this...but hopefully the 1/2 ton guys towing safely(Key word) will step up...and the others will understand why this subject is so subjective...bring facts not feelings...but always be safe and have fun camping that is why we are all on this site to begin with...
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Old 03-25-2016, 04:15 PM   #13
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Ahh...I hate this conversations because honestly there will never be a right or wrong answer because it is subjective. So here is my rant, I apologize a head of time...



Subjective: What might be safe to me may not be safe to you. I might find it fun to drive a race car around a track at 120 mph but you might not...pretty much the same thing when talking about a 1/2 ton pulling...as long as you are within the safety limits provided and a properly equipped truck, meaning within your weight limits and so on. Several will argue with this but again start from the beginning and read it over...we all view things differently...but as long as you are within posted limits it turns into what you as a person feel or believe...



Meat and Potatoes: I have read several threads stating the stopping power of a 1/2 ton when towing bigger trailers is an issue also emergency maneuvering is or could be and so on. Well I have an issue with that. As long as you are within your ratings then you should be fine. The manufacturers have tested this and that is why they set limits...They are not saying I can tow 15,000 lbs...could I maybe but of course not safely because I am above the posted limits...argue what you want...I know you will anyway...Your trailer tires are rated for 65 mph...can you go over that sure...should you probably not...but if you stay within the rating listed than you are most likely going to get the best result(China Bombs or not)...I feel like 1/2 ton truck have a target on them...

You always hear bigger is almost always better...of course...if I towed my 5er with a big rig case closed...People always seem to point out 1/2 ton trucks towing in the upper 3/4's of their limits and how crazy or unsafe that is to people...which to some it is and to some it is not, go up and re-read the "subjective" section if you need too. What you rarely hear is people pointing out 3/4 ton or 1 ton trucks that are towing at the upper 3/4's of their limits. IMO that is the same scenario, I will agree they have better brakes and axles...but again they are pulling bigger loads so does that mean they can stop better...turn better...or emergency maneuver any better??



Dessert: This argument will continue forever. I am not saying that I disagree with some points that are made. In fact my next truck in 2 years will probably be a 3/4 or 1 ton. But that is only because I can see us upgrading to a bigger 5er not because I feel my 1/2 ton is not up to the task. Thank you for reading I am sure I will catch all kinds of heat for this...but hopefully the 1/2 ton guys towing safely(Key word) will step up...and the others will understand why this subject is so subjective...bring facts not feelings...but always be safe and have fun camping that is why we are all on this site to begin with...

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Old 03-25-2016, 04:23 PM   #14
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I might as well add my 2 cents worth too. When we bought our tt I had a Dodge 1/2 ton with 5.9 gas engine. It pulled ok around the state except against a stiff headwind. With some side wnd/or other large vehicles passing me it had some sway. With out any wind tho you still needed a long run to pass some one. I came across my current truck and bought it. What a difference-stable in all conditions, allison transmission can't be beat and as for the 8.1 liter engine-as they say "there's no replacement for displacement". Sure I don't get the gas mileage diesels do but I paid less than I would have for a diesel and maintenance and repairs cost less. But to each there own-I'm not trying to start a gas verses diesel war. Like an RV-there's no right or wrong. It just depends on what you can afford and how you want to do what you do.
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Anybody pulling a rockwood 8285 ikws with a half ton truck?
I pull a Rockwood 8285WS with a F150 Ecoboost Supercab 6 1/2 ft bed. I did add super springs.
Over the last three years we've traveled approximately 20,000 miles over 20 states. Average 10 to 11. MPG.
I am within 50 lbs. of my rear axle weight limits.
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Thanks for the info

I've been looking at doing this same thing with my F-150. I currently have a XLR Hyperlite and have been thinking about upgrading to a 5th wheel. Thanks for all the info. Very helpful.
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Ahh...I hate this conversations because honestly there will never be a right or wrong answer because it is subjective. So here is my rant, I apologize a head of time...

Subjective: What might be safe to me may not be safe to you. I might find it fun to drive a race car around a track at 120 mph but you might not...pretty much the same thing when talking about a 1/2 ton pulling...as long as you are within the safety limits provided and a properly equipped truck, meaning within your weight limits and so on. Several will argue with this but again start from the beginning and read it over...we all view things differently...but as long as you are within posted limits it turns into what you as a person feel or believe...

Meat and Potatoes: I have read several threads stating the stopping power of a 1/2 ton when towing bigger trailers is an issue also emergency maneuvering is or could be and so on. Well I have an issue with that. As long as you are within your ratings then you should be fine. The manufacturers have tested this and that is why they set limits...They are not saying I can tow 15,000 lbs...could I maybe but of course not safely because I am above the posted limits...argue what you want...I know you will anyway...Your trailer tires are rated for 65 mph...can you go over that sure...should you probably not...but if you stay within the rating listed than you are most likely going to get the best result(China Bombs or not)...I feel like 1/2 ton truck have a target on them...
You always hear bigger is almost always better...of course...if I towed my 5er with a big rig case closed...People always seem to point out 1/2 ton trucks towing in the upper 3/4's of their limits and how crazy or unsafe that is to people...which to some it is and to some it is not, go up and re-read the "subjective" section if you need too. What you rarely hear is people pointing out 3/4 ton or 1 ton trucks that are towing at the upper 3/4's of their limits. IMO that is the same scenario, I will agree they have better brakes and axles...but again they are pulling bigger loads so does that mean they can stop better...turn better...or emergency maneuver any better??

Dessert: This argument will continue forever. I am not saying that I disagree with some points that are made. In fact my next truck in 2 years will probably be a 3/4 or 1 ton. But that is only because I can see us upgrading to a bigger 5er not because I feel my 1/2 ton is not up to the task. Thank you for reading I am sure I will catch all kinds of heat for this...but hopefully the 1/2 ton guys towing safely(Key word) will step up...and the others will understand why this subject is so subjective...bring facts not feelings...but always be safe and have fun camping that is why we are all on this site to begin with...
X2. I don't have any experience towing a fifth wheel with my Silverado but I would second that as long as your are within the guidelines you should be fine. It all comes down to comfort, we tow a 26Tbud which is 28ft long and weighs in around 7800lbs so not much different in specs. My wife is yet to drive when we take it out and it all comes down to comfort. She isn't uncomfortable with me driving but she knows her limitations and is waiting for us to upgrade to a duramax. There is always going to be some wind or a rut in the road that causes a hairy moment from time to time. Sometimes I feel the HD trucks give people a false sense of security and they pay attention less much like the people that by a 4x4 and think somehow it's going to stop or corner better on an icy freeway you always see them in the ditch first. You can be fully within your specs and feel out of control.
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Love these threads.
I just traded my Gmc 1500 with 6.2 and tow package for HD duramax.
I really loved the 6.2 8sp combo...fastest vehicle I ever owned...barring motorcycles. Duramax is great package too but more lineman than running back.

What I'm not seeing is a bunch of flaming death stories from the 1/2 ton crowd. Could more people describe what they didn't like about towing with their 1/2 ton? I just upgraded my tow vehicle before I even brought the trailer home mostly because I didn't want to worry about exceeding my payload every time we take off...it would be within 50 lbs too.

Hope I didn't waste my money. If all the 1/2 ton people are happy I may have been hasty. The 1500 was badass and a great daily driver. I'm picking up my 8289 Monday.


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It's good to hear different spins on the halfton towable fifth wheels. The right truck for the job it has to do. Mine is doing great with it. And I'll pull it from 65 to 70 miles and hour. It is the difference between night and day pulling a 5er as to a TT.
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