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Old 07-20-2014, 12:45 AM   #11
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madmaxmutt - can you explain what your mean with the first line?
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Old 07-20-2014, 12:52 AM   #12
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The last sentence summed it up. No one made an argument for a what you stretched in asking for. The result minimized/diluted or diverted attention from what the original author was stating. That is a straw man argument.
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Old 07-20-2014, 06:54 PM   #13
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On our walk thru inspection for our 2109S the service person said our water heater did not have an electric option (it did) and that the sewer hose would not fit in the bumper (it does).
Other than that he covered things pretty well.
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Old 07-20-2014, 08:51 PM   #14
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I don't expect manuals for much of anything anymore, maybe a pdf file on the internet but I don't see how FR could do that for all the rv's & models that they make. The documentation for AC, water heater etc. is already there so I am not sure what else they should include. A wiring diagram might be helpful for some but dangerous for others. FR is not going to be telling us to flush out the black water tank 1st & the gray 2d. Nor are they going to be providing those great explanations the Herk gives. I still want to do his AC insulation project. Or the GEO method, not something for FR to do either, but it sure is a great tip.

The best answer is a good explanation when you buy. I would like FR to include this forum as a recommendation for all buyers. There is a wealth of experience & information here.
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Old 07-21-2014, 12:23 AM   #15
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I disagree. While they don't need to include details in great depth on water header and AC if those are included in the packet, general information that matches the actual trailer would be nice. While I agree there are multiple floor plans and each can have some different options, it is not all that different that an automobile. A floor plan is similar to a model and the options can be noted in the manual. Just like an auto, dealer installed options of course wouldn't be handled in the manual.

But there is no reason for example that the manual doesn't include info on the control panel and its switches including the unmarked one that is installed by the factory in my case.

People are giving way too much slack to the trailer manufacturers as if it is that difficult to create a decent manual on an item that costs $30K.
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Old 07-21-2014, 12:35 AM   #16
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Learned a long time ago, get a 4" thick binder,put dividers in it for all manuals that you can get, find or copy. Dividers for everything from fans to door locks. In each section have 3or4 notebook pages to refrence things that you picked up here or specific threads that pertain to something important(keep adding to it). Beats the crap out of the generic that you got when you bought your rig.. PS keep the note book with you whenever you travel.
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Old 07-21-2014, 10:07 AM   #17
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But there is no reason for example that the manual doesn't include info on the control panel and its switches including the unmarked one that is installed by the factory in my case.
Think I have to agree with you on this point. Maybe I was just lucky with my dealer & the time spent explaining things. I am sure that I got my $$ worth from Rockwood. The dealer's support personnel have changed but still helpful.
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Old 07-21-2014, 10:47 PM   #18
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Learned a long time ago, get a 4" thick binder,put dividers in it for all manuals that you can get, find or copy. .
This is a great tip, and one that I learned in the military. I am pretty sure it really doesn't change the idea of minimal information/documentation and support to begin with. Not everyone wants to build a book. New owners/campers could be easily turned off by things like this. They might just want the answers available to them in 2014. I can pull up ingredients in most restaurant menu items or the parts list on my twenty year old table saw or most technical specs on my truck using my phone but I cannot lookup the specs/parts/jacking points/etc . . . for my ^$ trailer on the manufacturer's site.

I just say they could and should do better. We have come to a sad state where we accept (and it sounds like many of you expect) mediocrity.
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Old 07-24-2014, 04:54 PM   #19
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I also don't need to provide lunch for the service personnel unless I am asking for a serious favor. In that case, I would have no problem with it.
You bring the donuts when you don't have a problem. If you didn't see that right off, my advice won't work for you.
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Old 07-24-2014, 05:28 PM   #20
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I am a parts supplier to the rv industry. I am also an owner of a 2104s and even knowing a great deal about the industry, my wife and I spent days writing out about 55 to 60 questions for the dealer before we purchased. Also the web provided me, and youtube a great deal of info once we decided on the 2104s. The manufacturers are in a dollar race and must stay price sensitive, 30 dollars per unit for a bigger manual, why not another 90 for a service tech complete operational 2 hour walk thur, and another 75 for 1 year phone tech support, and another 110 for interactive web assistance. Just saying that up front homework, prior to purchase, isa far better choice then asking the manufacturer to be the first to raise prices. Side note, of all the manufacturers out there forest river is at the top of the food chain. Good luck and have a super day.
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