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Old 07-24-2014, 05:35 PM   #21
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If it weren't for this forum and learning from "how to" YouTube videos, I' d still be cussin' in my sleep. When we did our PDI, we were so dazzled be the splendor of or new palace, that neither one of us remembered much of what was said. It's a complicated machine and, no matter how hard you try, you just ain't gonna learn it in two hours. Get used to finding your own answers, you'll be less frustrated in the long run. Again, this forum and others like it, give you the benefit of a huge data base of those who have been there, done that.....

But don't dwell on the negatives, they're energy vampires and will ruin your fun.....

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Old 07-24-2014, 05:41 PM   #22
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tend to agree with Paradise...

we studied the trailer (and even read the entire "generic" Forest River TT owners manual) at length before delivery. I invested a bunch in learning the ropes, including hours and hours studying FRF posts after we'd narrowed our search to some Rockwood TT's. I knew there would be a steep curve nonetheless. After two years of shopping TT's, my sense was (and is) that Forest River is every bit as good as (or better than) the vast majority of manufacturers, hence my choice of TT. However, it is obvious that the rv industry is one where there are constant changes to floor plan offerings and the supplier components which are included in or installed on various models (even during a single "model year"), which would seem to make it an unmanageable task to create and update a "true" model- or unit-specific owner's manual. What's more, even if FR did so, I don't think it would be worth the extra cost to me, which I imagine would be significant. In the end, if you are not ready to take ownership of the TT and truly "know" it, you will be frustrated. JMO.
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Old 07-24-2014, 05:42 PM   #23
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If it weren't for this forum and learning from "how to" YouTube videos, I' d still be cussin' in my sleep. When we did our PDI, we were so dazzled be the splendor of or new palace, that neither one of us remembered much of what was said. It's a complicated machine and, no matter how hard you try, you just ain't gonna learn it in two hours. Get used to finding your own answers, you'll be less frustrated in the long run. Again, this forum and others like it, give you the benefit of a huge data base of those who have been there, done that.....

But don't dwell on the negatives, they're energy vampires and will ruin your fun.....

Happy trails!!
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Old 07-24-2014, 05:49 PM   #24
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Learned a long time ago, get a 4" thick binder,put dividers in it for all manuals that you can get, find or copy. Dividers for everything from fans to door locks. In each section have 3or4 notebook pages to refrence things that you picked up here or specific threads that pertain to something important(keep adding to it). Beats the crap out of the generic that you got when you bought your rig.. PS keep the note book with you whenever you travel.
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Old 07-24-2014, 06:22 PM   #25
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I think you straw manned that a bit far.
A useful manual for the trailers we purchase, yes.
A knowledgeable and helpful dealer staff, yes.
A good responsive manufacturer's customer service, yes.
An all encompassing knowledge base for RV'ing, no one asked for that.
Well, I looked up Straw Man:

1: a weak or imaginary opposition (as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted

2: a person set up to serve as a cover for a usually questionable transaction


How did this apply to Terier's comment, "It would be nice to have a One-Stop shop for RVing knowledge but (and?) I can't help but think of RV life before the Internet."

I have to admit I am as confused as she is...
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Old 07-24-2014, 07:22 PM   #26
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I'd like to see a quality instructional DVD in addition to the owners manual. This could be used across various trailers from FR as the components are generally the same; only the floor plan is different.
A new RV'er is going to be in sensory overload with all of the instructions provided in a good walk through and is likely not going to retain everything.
I've learned more on this forum and in finding/viewing relevant how-to videos on the net than I did in the walk through.
Make it easier and convenient for your customers...furnish an instructional video that we can reference when problems arise.


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Old 07-24-2014, 07:59 PM   #27
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What you say makes sense...in that case..it may never happen
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:31 PM   #28
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An online video reference area - other than YouTube- specific to models would be nice. We bought ours used thus no PDI just a quick this is this and that is that by previous owners. Yes YouTube has been almost as helpful as this forum but it sure does take lots of searching sometimes!. PS I hate it when I need service and the guys are just hanging out chatting, I feel kind of like an interruption
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An online video reference area - other than YouTube- specific to models would be nice. We bought ours used thus no PDI just a quick this is this and that is that by previous owners. Yes YouTube has been almost as helpful as this forum but it sure does take lots of searching sometimes!. PS I hate it when I need service and the guys are just hanging out chatting, I feel kind of like an interruption

Agree. Probably less expensive for FR having an online video reference area rather than printing a ton of DVDs. Information could be updated in a timely fashion with minimal cost and could be model specific.
Really surprised none of the major players don't offer that. Very time consuming to go through 100's of YouTube videos.


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Old 07-24-2014, 09:11 PM   #30
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You know, what gets me is everyone tries to compare a RV to a car - and I don't know why. A car is a piece of equipment composed of many parts engineered to fit and work together as a cohesive machine.

A RV is more comparable to a house - a shell filled with appliances, equipment, and devices from many different manufactures put together by a group of people who really doesn't have the engineering knowledge on how to integrate it all together, that does work together - sort-of.

I mean look at it, one group comes in and puts in the foundation (in RV's it's the running gear/chassis), then another group, the carpenters, come in and put up the outside walls (the RV shell), another group (the roofers) put the roof on, the carpenters and drywallers come in and put up the interior walls. At the same time, a group of plumbers are putting in the rough-in plumbing, the electrical rough-in is being done by a group of electricians, meanwhile some group goes out and buys appliances (stove, washer, dryer, furnace, air conditioner, water heater, etc. etc.) from various manufactures expecting the plumber, electrician, HVAC and other groups to know where and how to install this stuff and make it all work together - sort-of.

Sure looks like a RV is a house, but on wheels.

Now, when you buy a house, do you get a comprehensive operating manual? No, just like a RV. Do you get a wiring and plumbing diagram? Again, no, just like a RV. What you get is a ream of individual IOM (Installation, Operating, and Maintenance) manuals, if your lucky, from all the manufactures for the appliances and equipment in the house - just like a RV.

Once the house (RV) is complete, you do a walk through (PDI) and develope a punch list of all the problems, deficiencies, things broken or missing, etc., just like in a RV. I don't know about you, but I've never seen a new house without an extensive punch list of things needing to be fixed - just like in a RV. Some of the items on the punch list will be fixed by the GC (General Contractor) but many you end up fixing yourself - just like a RV.

Once you take possession and something breaks, like a water heater, who fixes it? Unless you are very lucky and get a home warranty (which aren't often offered or are included at an exhorbiant price) either you fix it or you hire someone to fix it - NOT like a RV, you automatically get a one year warranty from the manufacturer on the RV, and their assistance (generally) if some other manufactures equipment malfunctions.

Now, several years down the road, you remodel the house, you open up a wall or floor and find the carpenters, dry wallers, plumbers, electricians, HVAC and any other group that worked on the house while it was being built left behind shavings, sawdust, coffee cups, soda cans, cigerate butts, newspapers, betting slips, etc. etc. (and hopefully no biological residues) - just like a RV.

Now take all the problems with the purchase of a house and the failures in the first year, and put the house on a shaker table - just like your RV going down the road - and see what happens. And you think you have problems with your RV?

Now think, you paid hundred of thousands of dollars for your house, and only thousands of dollars for you RV, overall which is the better deal? Remember a RV is not an essential purchase like a house it is a luxury!

I guess I was extremely lucky with my current RV. It is two (three?) years old and has not had a major problem or been back to the dealer since I bought it. It's had a few small issues, some self inflected, that I fixed myself. Based on what I paid for what I got I'm very pleased with my Forest River product. This is our third new trailer, the other two were not Forest River products, and I had similar experience with the other RV's. What I will say, our Windjammer is the best built, best operating, nicest RV of the five RV's we have owned in the last 40 years.

Just my opinion!

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