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Old 07-26-2016, 08:14 AM   #1
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Mini Lites vs Ultra Lites

We've been looking online at several of the Mini Lites (ML's), and the 2304DS Ultra Lite (UL). We'd like a camper that is under 26'. Our current RW Roo 21RS has a hard-sided bed slide at the back and is ample for the odd weekend here and there. But in my opinion for longer use is a little cramped with not a lot of storage.

So we're looking for a unit with:
-a murphy bed
-TV right across from murphy bed
-access to washroom and fridge while travelling (slides closed)
-counter space for food prep
-increased storage space


So yesterday we decided to go to a couple of dealers which are 2-3 hours from home so we could see all the models we have been interested in.

I had sort of decided that the 2504S ML might be the best for us as it has a good amount of storage, a slide to increase living space, and bunks for the few occasions when adult kids want to come camping. Otherwise the bunks can be used for more storage. This was the first unit we saw through. Right away the hubby wasn't really interested in this one as he was in the 2503S which was a unit I had not previously considered. With the 2503S you have the rear door to access the washroom and fridge while travelling. Also liked the 2304KS ML but you cannot access either when slides closed-so that's off the list.

Next we saw through the 2304DS UL and I really liked it! And yes, you do lose about 18" where the slide comes out which was my original objection, but I like the unit a lot and think I can live with that! There is a TV mounting bracket where you can bring the TV outside under the awing above the RVQ and side table.

The UL's come standard with a Serta Upgrade mattress which really does feel like a better mattress than the ones that you get in the ML's. Also standard are the window mini-blinds, power awning, 2x30 lb. propane bottles vs 20, larger holding tanks, and enclosed underbelly. There are also Options available on the UL's that are not available on the ML's.

We were told the 2304DS is about $2K more than the 2503S we looked at and for us it seems like the standard items listed above make the UL unit more attractive to us.

So now it looks like a few months from now we'll be placing an order for a spring delivery of a 2304DS UL!

Sorry for the long post for those of you who actually read my ramblings right to the end.

If anyone has anything good or bad to add to this, we'd be happy to hear!!
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Old 07-26-2016, 08:57 PM   #2
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Our ML 2503S came with window mini-blinds, power awning, and 2x30 lb. propane bottles as standard, if I recall. We ordered ours (2/28/15) and I don't recall ever discussing any of these items.

The huge bathroom was the selling point to my DW. She did not like the kitchen sink back in that "alcove" as in the 2304DS. You will lose the bunks, if that's important to you.

We haven't had anyone sleep on the dinette, but it's an 84" U-dinette, so it's pretty big. Also, our length overall is 25'-10 1/2".

No enclosed underbelly, but I like to get under there and see what's going on, so I'm just as happy to not have it.
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Old 07-27-2016, 04:39 AM   #3
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We have the twin to the 2503 (Flagstaff Micro Lite 25KS-same camper). We absolutely love it. No bunks, but large dinette. Two entry doors. Huge bathroom. Good counter space. Tons of interior storage. Full length awning. Outdoor TV mount. 30# propane bottles. Adequate outdoor storage. Murphy bed. Loaded with options it was $20K. A lot of trailer for the size and price.
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Old 07-27-2016, 05:58 AM   #4
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Yes the 25KS looks identical to the 2503S. I have never figured out why companies make 2 different lines like Mini Lite and Micro Lite, when they seem to be the same.

About the counter space in the 2503S (or 25KS) I love the space you get behind the stove and sink, but at the front without covering up the sink or stove it is limited.
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Old 07-27-2016, 09:11 AM   #6
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Yes the 25KS looks identical to the 2503S. I have never figured out why companies make 2 different lines like Mini Lite and Micro Lite, when they seem to be the same.

About the counter space in the 2503S (or 25KS) I love the space you get behind the stove and sink, but at the front without covering up the sink or stove it is limited.
The car companies do it all the time. Dodge Caravan/Plymouth Voyager; Ford Escort/Mercury Mystique; Chevy Traverse/GMC Acadia/Buick Enclave; Chevy Silverado/GMC Sierra.

Typically, they started out as independent lines. One then bought the other. They don't want to lose their "brand loyalists," but they want to save money, so they make one model and brand it twice. They usually make something minor different between them. On autos it's usually more upscale amenities on one vs the other. For RV's is seems to be the interior colors.
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Old 07-27-2016, 12:25 PM   #7
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We have the 2504S Mini Lite and love the floor space when the slide is out. On the occasion that our family is with us the dinette and the bunk is used and needed. Overall, we really LOVE our 2504S. It tows nicely as well. Good luck on your purchase. Oh, and we do not have any problem with accessing the washroom when traveling.
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To get a fair price

To get a fair price do as we did and get a internet quote from Wanarv.com
They beat everybody in the USA for price and their service was wonderful.
I know your going to pay lots more in Canada but it would get you a fair negotiation point.
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QUOTE=WannaBcamping;1270943]We've been looking online at several of the Mini Lites (ML's), and the 2304DS Ultra Lite (UL). We'd like a camper that is under 26'. Our current RW Roo 21RS has a hard-sided bed slide at the back and is ample for the odd weekend here and there. But in my opinion for longer use is a little cramped with not a lot of storage.

So we're looking for a unit with:
-a murphy bed
-TV right across from murphy bed
-access to washroom and fridge while travelling (slides closed)
-counter space for food prep
-increased storage space


So yesterday we decided to go to a couple of dealers which are 2-3 hours from home so we could see all the models we have been interested in.

I had sort of decided that the 2504S ML might be the best for us as it has a good amount of storage, a slide to increase living space, and bunks for the few occasions when adult kids want to come camping. Otherwise the bunks can be used for more storage. This was the first unit we saw through. Right away the hubby wasn't really interested in this one as he was in the 2503S which was a unit I had not previously considered. With the 2503S you have the rear door to access the washroom and fridge while travelling. Also liked the 2304KS ML but you cannot access either when slides closed-so that's off the list.

Next we saw through the 2304DS UL and I really liked it! And yes, you do lose about 18" where the slide comes out which was my original objection, but I like the unit a lot and think I can live with that! There is a TV mounting bracket where you can bring the TV outside under the awing above the RVQ and side table.

The UL's come standard with a Serta Upgrade mattress which really does feel like a better mattress than the ones that you get in the ML's. Also standard are the window mini-blinds, power awning, 2x30 lb. propane bottles vs 20, larger holding tanks, and enclosed underbelly. There are also Options available on the UL's that are not available on the ML's.

We were told the 2304DS is about $2K more than the 2503S we looked at and for us it seems like the standard items listed above make the UL unit more attractive to us.

So now it looks like a few months from now we'll be placing an order for a spring delivery of a 2304DS UL!

Sorry for the long post for those of you who actually read my ramblings right to the end.

If anyone has anything good or bad to add to this, we'd be happy to hear!![/QUOTE]
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Dealer double talk.

You can order the same equipment on the ML or UL. The only difference in the TT is the name and decals. What you saw on the TT is what was ordered by the dealer. They have a big ole check list and option packages they can order from the factory before the TT ever hits the assembly line. Like I said, dealer (salesman) double talk.
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You can order the same equipment on the ML or UL. The only difference in the TT is the name and decals. What you saw on the TT is what was ordered by the dealer. They have a big ole check list and option packages they can order from the factory before the TT ever hits the assembly line. Like I said, dealer (salesman) double talk.
Mini Lites and Micro Lites are twins; built on the same line. I don't believe that the Ultra Lites are that closely related; but I could be wrong.
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