Please help me on cargo weights

[woozy]

I’ve been looking at a 2608ws.

I was shocked when I looked at the cargo weight. Basically, by the time I order the extras I want, I will have room for my toothbrush and I’m already overweight.

I thought that it must be because it has the double-size grey tank (which it may not even have), but the guy at RVW told me that it has nothing to do with the liquids. HUH??

I can’t understand this, trailers that are almost alike have vastly different weight.

Is there a place that FR has published what kind of axles each unit has?

Plz help me understand this.

[TURBS]

Whats your advertised ccc of the camper on the sticker?

TURBS

golf cart safety instructor

[woozy]

Length 29’7"
Width 8'0"
Height 9'8"
Hitch Weight 635 lbs
Dry Weight 5,635 lbs
Cargo Weight 962 lbs
Fresh Water Capacity 36 gals
Grey Water Capacity 74 gals
Black Water Capacity 37 gals
Sleeps 5
Tire Size 14
Slides 2

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by woozy

Length29’7"
Width 8'0"
Height9'8"
Hitch Weight635 lbs
Dry Weight 5,635 lbs
Cargo Weight962 lbs
Fresh Water Capacity36 gals
Grey Water Capacity74 gals
Black Water Capacity37 gals
Sleeps5
Tire Size14
Slides2

Average added cargo weight for a family is 1000#s

962 is fairly low but do-able.


TURBS

golf cart safety instructor

[ependydad]

Looks like a CCC of 962 lbs:
Rockwood Ultra Lite Travel Trailer by Forest River

If you fill up the fresh water (36 gallons), that's 288 pounds of that taken up already.

If you travel with water in any of the 3 tanks (2 gray, 1 black), that has to be accounted for, too. 90% of the time I don't, but that other 10% is when I'm traveling and we're hitting overnight stops. I'll carry gray + black water from one stop to the next to save time + energy.

IMO, that's just not enough CCC for me and our "pack everything" habits.

[woozy]

I’ll have a Honda genny, a few smallish solar panels, and propane. I’ll be dry camping and boondocking, so must have water.

I’m not a weekend camper, I’ll be gone for months at a time, so I need some “stuff”.

Lawdy, I need to start over, don’t I?

What should I be looking at to get a heavier-duty axle?

[TURBS]

They dont recommend putting heavier axles under a camper with a set axle size.
Meaning its not advisable to put 6k axles where 4k axles are.
The frame is only rated for the axles they specify.
Pm herk7769 he'll fill u in.

Ps wont the gennie and solar panels be in your truck bed?
That weight doesn't accrue on your camper ccc just your tv ccc.

TURBS

golf cart safety instructor

[ependydad]

Turbs makes a good point- where will you be carrying this weight?

[woozy]

I wasn’t thinking of changing the axles, only getting a trailer type with a heavier axle.

And yes, I have an 8 ft truck bed, (items like solar panels not secure is an issue, too) but as ependydad said, there just doesn’t seem like much is left after liquids and absolute necessities.

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by woozy

I wasn’t thinking of changing the axles, only getting a trailer type with a heavier axle.

And yes, I have an 8 ft truck bed, (items like solar panels not secure is an issue, too) but as ependydad said, there just doesn’t seem like much is left after liquids and absolute necessities.

We're a family of 5 and carry 1200 #

TURBS

golf cart safety instructor

[bikendan]

this is the problem with many ultralights. to get all the things in the trailer and still make it able to qualify as an ultralight, something has to suffer.
and usually it's the CCC amount.

[garbonz]

AS posted there are significant limitations to ultralights. And if towed with a smallish TV limitations to payload also.

You did not mention what your TV is, but you can't have your cake and eat it to...

[cadman99]

I am having a similar problem with a 8285WS (used 2008 fifth) . Gross weight is supposed to be about 9300lbs. However the axles are 3500lbs each (7000 total) and the tires are rated at 1820 each. If you load to 9300lbs no way you are going to get under 7000lbs. They way mine sits if I load 9300lbs with the current tongue weight I will be at 7500lbs.

The cabinet sticker subtracts the propane weight (55lbs per cylinder) and the fresh water weight and then lists the maximum cargo weight. It may be that the salesman (or specs) are using that number when quoting. However their specs say 962 cargo weight with no mention of water. 36 gallons of water will be 295lbs leaving 660lbs of cargo. Better travel light and no water inhe holding tanks.

Also check the tire loading.

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by cadman99

I am having a similar problem with a 8285WS (used 2008 fifth) . Gross weight is supposed to be about 9300lbs. However the axles are 3500lbs each (7000 total) and the tires are rated at 1820 each. If you load to 9300lbs no way you are going to get under 7000lbs. They way mine sits if I load 9300lbs with the current tongue weight I will be at 7500lbs.

The cabinet sticker subtracts the propane weight (55lbs per cylinder) and the fresh water weight and then lists the maximum cargo weight. It may be that the salesman (or specs) are using that number when quoting. However their specs say 962 cargo weight with no mention of water. 36 gallons of water will be 295lbs leaving 660lbs of cargo. Better travel light and no water inhe holding tanks.

Also check the tire loading.

Remember your truck carries part off thst load via the fifth wheel hitch.
For example my trailer has 2 6000 lb axles for 12,000 lbs my trailers gvwr is 14,000 so the truck carries the extra 2,000lbs.

Clear as mud ?

TURBS

golf cart safety instructor

[cadman99]

Actually clearer than mud. I understand pin weights are subtracted from the weight of the trailer when hitched.

At present my trailer hitched weighs 6700lbs plus the pin weight is 1800lbs - total about 8500lbs. If I add, lets say a tank of water, plus as few more pounds I will be over the axle and tire configuraqtion (which is 7000 and 7200). Since the water tank is at the axles I doubt much pin weight will be added.

If I were to load the trailer to maxiumum (another 800lbs) the the pin weight would have to be 2300 lbs or an increase of about 500 lbs. Unless I stack bricks in the bedroom I doubt the pin weight will go up that much. Current pin weight is close to 22% of trailer weight, 22% of 800 lbs is about another 176lbs of pin weight.

I don't see how it is possible to rate this trailer at 9300lbs under these circumstances. The math is simple - 7000lb axles and 9300lb gross = 2300lb lbs pin weight. If you have a pull trailer it gets worse because usually hitch weight is far less than pin weight.