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Old 09-20-2016, 01:43 PM   #11
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Hi all:
My first shot at blogging. Hope I do this right ! If not, please let me know.
I'm an experienced camper, towing "smaller units" since '85. I just purchased a new 2109 and need to replace my TV which is too small to tow this trailer. I'm looking for the perfect all around vehicle as a replacement. I'm headed toward retirement with plans of lots of travel north, south, east and west but will use this vehicle for general transportation. I've considered the lighter F150s with ecoboost but really like the convenience of a medium sized SUV. I like lots of safety factor regarding towing, braking, etc. and have been intimidated but posts (not here) regarding side winds/ tractor trailers and tales of woe about "smaller" vehicles. I've seen some posts regarding 4 Runners that might be the answer?
I have a very heavy duty hitch, a Reese WD hitch (chain type) and a sliding friction type sway control. I'd truly appreciate the benefit of your experience and expertise on the subject.
BTW, we are very excited about the 2109 !
Thanks much !
I tow my 2014 2109S with a Nissan Frontier. I'm OK with towing capacity, but I'm exceeding the payload (just over 1000 lbs) by a bit. It's adequate in the Midwest where it's relatively flat. My Equal-i-zer hitch handles any trailer sway issues with no problem. But, in a 30mph headwind, you won't get anywhere very fast. I'm planning to replace the Frontier with an F150 this fall. I want to go to the Rockies and I don't think the Frontier will handle that at all. Sometimes it struggles just going up a freeway on-ramp.

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Old 09-20-2016, 02:55 PM   #12
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SUVS have lower payload capacities and weaker suspensions.
Both are negatives for towing, compared to pickups.
You would need a full size SUV, not midsize SUV, to comfortably tow your trailer.

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Old 09-20-2016, 03:01 PM   #13
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tv question.

Have you checked into the Jeep Cherokee with the 3.2 eco diesel? Talked to someone on our last outing and he liked his. He said it had a tow rating of 7200. Not bad for a mid size suv that will get you some mpg when not towing.
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Old 09-20-2016, 03:20 PM   #14
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Spot on....

Originally Posted by bikendan View Post
SUVS have lower payload capacities and weaker suspensions.
Both are negatives for towing, compared to pickups.
You would need a full size SUV, not midsize SUV, to comfortably tow your trailer.
And my recommendation is a Nissan Armada with tow package. My last TV/TT combo was a '12 Armada/'14 Flagstaff 27BESS with an Equal-i-zer 4point WDH. What a package! No problems whatsoever. I did have Firestone air bags on the rear of the Armada, but it towed flawlessly. Plenty of power, plenty of room, and comfortable as all get out.

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Old 09-20-2016, 03:41 PM   #15
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I agree with most here. The only SUV to consider is the Ford EX with tow package. Not always but most often imo if you need air bags or any suspension assistance your tv is not up to the job. I towed with an F150, just 7000# and found it could do the job acceptably once the P rated tires were changed to LT with a heavier load rating.
I'm betting you will go even bigger in a short time and will be looking for another tv. My suggestion is to get an F250 now and be ready for when the next camper comes.
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Old 09-20-2016, 04:11 PM   #16
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Dw and i had a 2000 Chevy Silverado with 4.8l when we bought our camper. Its the exact same one you have but branded as a flagstaff. We love the camper, but after driving it to the Smokies, we didn't feel we had enough truck. We bought the truck in our signature knowing we would upgrade our camper soon.
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Old 09-20-2016, 04:46 PM   #17
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IMO for a 5,000 lb. TT you need to stick to full size TTs like an (older) Armada w/9,100 lb. tow package or (newer) Ford Expedition EL (long) w/EB, 3.73 gearing, 9,100+ HD tow package... They didn't have the EB powered Exp. when we were looking, but it looks like a good choice. Not quiet the beast the 3/4 ton Excursion was but the newer engine/tranny combo gets much better MPG...

IMO Jeeps, 4Runners, etc. are not a good match because their shorter wheelbases allow them to get pushed-around by passing semis, high winds, etc. It seems most folks that start-out w/one of these upgrade pretty quick whereas the full size SUVs can be stabilized by upgrading to air bags, the right tires, and quality WDH...

We almost got a 5 year-old Armada but found a newer Ram 2500 CC w/3,000 payload for a lot less. With a fiberglass cap we just toss what we are taking in the back & don't have to worry about going over on payload... However, the ride is not as comfy...
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Old 09-20-2016, 05:53 PM   #18
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The best advice I can give you is do not listen to anyone. Go do your homework, look at everything you can. Read all specs and decide for yourself. You know your needs and wants, don't let anyone else make up your mind or you will always be questioning if you made the right choice.
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Old 09-20-2016, 06:58 PM   #19
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I like my F-150 SuperCrew with the 3.5 EB. Adaptive cruise control aids longer drives, extremely comfortable seats, and the flat floor enables cavernous interior storage with the rear seats up - room enough to sleep there! Note that tow mirrors are NOT included with the tow packages so make sure they are ordered, I had a devil of a time finding one with them installed. It is almost impossible to add the factory mirrors after delivery - it's very hard to get the computers to recognize them and make them work (check the F-150 forum for discussions of people trying to do this). EB engine pulls a lot like a diesel due to the turbos. In that Ford has been selling the EB engines for a number of years now in various vehicles, I'm not worried about the turbos. Word is that Ford has made changes to the 2017 engines to address the carbon buildup issue that has been reported on multiple manufactures direct injection engines.

As noted, your limiting factor will be cargo capacity. My 2016 Platinum trim level model is stickered at 1450 lbs which is sufficient for my needs. I do have the 33 gallon fuel tank, so I can regain some capacity by not running with a full tank... Lower trim models can come with higher numbers.

I haven't seen any numbers on the 2017's which may be higher.
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