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Old 09-20-2016, 06:49 AM   #1
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TV recommendations for my new 2109

Hi all:
My first shot at blogging. Hope I do this right ! If not, please let me know.
I'm an experienced camper, towing "smaller units" since '85. I just purchased a new 2109 and need to replace my TV which is too small to tow this trailer. I'm looking for the perfect all around vehicle as a replacement. I'm headed toward retirement with plans of lots of travel north, south, east and west but will use this vehicle for general transportation. I've considered the lighter F150s with ecoboost but really like the convenience of a medium sized SUV. I like lots of safety factor regarding towing, braking, etc. and have been intimidated but posts (not here) regarding side winds/ tractor trailers and tales of woe about "smaller" vehicles. I've seen some posts regarding 4 Runners that might be the answer?
I have a very heavy duty hitch, a Reese WD hitch (chain type) and a sliding friction type sway control. I'd truly appreciate the benefit of your experience and expertise on the subject.
BTW, we are very excited about the 2109 !
Thanks much !
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Old 09-20-2016, 09:11 AM   #2
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You are going to get all kinds of conflicting advice on this question. Tow vehicles is one of the great debates of this forum. There will be people telling you that you shouldn't have anything less than a 1 ton diesel dually!

That being said, payload on SUV's is typically lower than a pickup, and payload is typically where TV's exceed their limits first. So as well as looking at the towing capacity of whatever you're interested in, look at the payload number on the sticker on the drivers door frame.

Make sure you know the towing capacity of the exact vehicle you're looking at. My 2009 Silverado owners manual listed 99 permutations of the Silverado (engine size, box size, cab size, rear end gearing, tow package, etc) with towing capacities ranging from 4,000 lbs to 12,000 lbs. Mine was 7,500 lbs. So all 1/2 ton pickups are NOT created equal. So someone may tell you to "get a 1/2 ton," but if you do, you need to get the RIGHT 1/2 ton.

Ignore dry weights. Your 2109 has a GVWR of about 5256 lbs per the FR site. Tongue weight should be around 10-15% of TT weight, so your tongue weight could be as much as 788 lbs. Add 50 lbs or so for your weight distributing hitch (you'll need one) and you could have a tongue weight of 838 lbs.

So now your payload will be reduced by 838 lbs. Whatever is left is what you can load into your TV, including the wife, dog, and "stuff."

Also, you may find you'll want a larger TT in a couple years (some people even sooner!). For boaters, this is called "two-foot-itis."

So my advice is to steer away from SUV's. You'll get a lot more advice.
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Old 09-20-2016, 09:16 AM   #3
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Hi all:
My first shot at blogging. Hope I do this right ! If not, please let me know.
I'm an experienced camper, towing "smaller units" since '85. I just purchased a new 2109 and need to replace my TV which is too small to tow this trailer. I'm looking for the perfect all around vehicle as a replacement. I'm headed toward retirement with plans of lots of travel north, south, east and west but will use this vehicle for general transportation. I've considered the lighter F150s with ecoboost but really like the convenience of a medium sized SUV. I like lots of safety factor regarding towing, braking, etc. and have been intimidated but posts (not here) regarding side winds/ tractor trailers and tales of woe about "smaller" vehicles. I've seen some posts regarding 4 Runners that might be the answer?
I have a very heavy duty hitch, a Reese WD hitch (chain type) and a sliding friction type sway control. I'd truly appreciate the benefit of your experience and expertise on the subject.
BTW, we are very excited about the 2109 !
Thanks much !
As for your question I don't have a SUV so I can't make a recommendation. With my TV I need no WD hitch or sway control. A smaller wheel base of an SUV would change that IMHOP. Enjoy your 2109S, we sure do like ours.
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Old 09-20-2016, 12:29 PM   #4
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I used to tow our 2104 with our 2012 Tacoma. The trailer, loaded, was about 5000 lbs and the truck had a tow rating of 6500 lbs. I had a similar WD hitch and anti-sway bar that you are using. I also added Firestone RideRite airbags to the rear of the truck. It towed well with little movement but the Tacoma needed a bit more power to better get over the hills. I looked up the tow specs for a 2016 4Runner and it says it only has a 5000 lb max capacity so I don't think that would be a good choice since you would be about right at max weight.
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Old 09-20-2016, 12:34 PM   #5
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An F-150 CC will have more room inside than the SUV you mentioned and should provide the safety factors you are wanting. A good bed cover will keep things dry and safe since most come with a lock.
Just something to consider.

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Old 09-20-2016, 12:55 PM   #6
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I just purchased a new 2109 and need to replace my TV which is too small to tow this trailer.
Just FYI, we towed our 2109S to Alaska and back with a Nissan Frontier King Cab 4x4 pickup. We don't tow over 65 MPH with any trailer, so it was adequate, but performed poorly on long grades and in moderate to high headwinds. That 64 sq. ft. cross-sectional area was part of the problem (the Nissan owners manual said "maximum of 60 sq. ft."). However, even with our lightweight TV, our Reese dual-cam W-D hitch eliminated nearly all problems with cross winds and passing semis.

The equivalent Nissan SUV--the Pathfinder--has less towing capacity than the Frontier and your new 2109S GVWR is about 450 lbs. heavier than our 2012's GVWR. The 4-Runner is pretty equivalent to the Pathfinder, so I think it would have the same limitations. With 20-20 hindsight, I would recommend a crew cab F-150 (maybe even with just the 2.7 Eco-boost), Ram 1500 Eco-diesel, or Chevy Colorado Duramax diesel, but all with the max-tow package. You will have the same seating capacity as an SUV, just less enclosed storage. But the increased towing capacity and payload will give you a safer "cushion" for carrying whatever you need to take with you, including a couple of kids or grandkids.
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I have a 25ft camper when loaded is around 6-6500 pounds. I am towing with a 2007 GMC yulon XK (basically a chevy suburban). i have been through 2 summers with this set up and quite frankly i am looking to get into a pickup next spring. I love having the SUV, especially this size with all the room. we have 7 in our family but typically only 6 go, so seating is good for the SUV and will be an issue with a pickup. Also my dog goes with us and has a crate in the back of the SUV. I will need to have a cover on the pickup but will have to worry about heat in the summer and during hunting i will worry about the cold for him.

so ya i would love to stay with my SUV but honestly i hate how it handles towing, the power and gears just arent set up for it. i am always working the truck hard even though i go slow and take it easy. sway and weight balance are fine for me though. i couldnt imagine going to a smaller SUV. My cousin went from a suburban to a ford expedition and swears it hauls a lot better. i might try that out. i have though about toyota sequoia or nissan armada but in those the 3rd row seat basically touches the back window, no cargo room or room for the dog.

just some food for thought for ya from my experience.
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Old 09-20-2016, 01:57 PM   #8
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A Suburban with the correct tow package (3.42 or 3.73 gears) would handle the 2109 just fine. The Expedition would do even better as it has a higher tow rating. I towed a 2702WS with a Suburban for a year. No sway, towed well on the flat. I decided to upgrade after towing to Yellowstone and experiencing all the grades however. But the 2109 is much lighter than I was towing.
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The F-150 3.5 Eco boost crew cab short bed makes a good tow vehicle for most 'light' trailers under 30' and has more room than an SUV.
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Old 09-20-2016, 02:16 PM   #10
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Smile Definately NO 4Runner!

I too was thinking of an SUV but changed my mind because of towing capacity and fuel; consumption. Your unit is approximately 4,000 dry weight. See sticker on left front of trailer 4Runners are rated at max tow 4,700 lbs, (WAY too close considering you have not accounted for contents in trailer, and water, propane, batteries.)
Besides with such a short wheelbase on a 4 Runner you will be greatly affected by crosswinds and semi turbulence. Your fuel mileage will be very high as this is merely fuel injected. At higher altitudes or hills your engine will starve for air.
I'd suggest a Ford F150 eco boost with the 3.5 six cyl. (not the 2.7)
It has turbo so it will not starve for air when climbing or at higher altitudes. Plus will tow your 2109 Rockwood better than my Chevy Silverado's 5,3 V8 and get much better gas mileage. The TURBO forces air into engine, even if it's thinner air at altitude. I have a 2016 2109 Sapphire my next truck will be a 150 Eco boost 3.5
Ps, you can always buy a topper for your truck bed.
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