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Old 06-27-2016, 11:05 PM   #31
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Shopping for a 5th wheel currently and I don't even look at the empty weight listed anymore, that is meaningless unless you are a transport driver. I look at the maximum gross weight the rig is ever supposed to be and insure I can pull that much safely. I know I will be under that amount, so I have a safety margin. Then I look at the stated hitch weight (TT or 5th), add about 20% for the load, and figure if I can carry that, plus the DW, fuel, toys, tools, lawn chairs, blow up pools, lawn flamingos, Tiki lights, etc. in the TV. If all is good, I am good.
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Old 06-27-2016, 11:17 PM   #32
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Shopping for a 5th wheel currently and I don't even look at the empty weight listed anymore, that is meaningless unless you are a transport driver. I look at the maximum gross weight the rig is ever supposed to be and insure I can pull that much safely. I know I will be under that amount, so I have a safety margin. Then I look at the stated hitch weight (TT or 5th), add about 20% for the load, and figure if I can carry that, plus the DW, fuel, toys, tools, lawn chairs, blow up pools, lawn flamingos, Tiki lights, etc. in the TV. If all is good, I am good.
Good advice for anyone. First thing I look at are the yellow and white stickers on the street side.

I notice at RV shows they make it as difficult as they can to get to the street side. They'll back one TT right up to the ball hitch of the one behind it. Means I have to jump over the hitch, but I do it. (They can't do this to you with 5vers, though; easy to duck under! ) Sometimes they put up curtains of some kind between the public and street side. Curtains don't stop me, either.

If the GVWR is more than about 75% of my tow capacity, I don't even bother going into the TT, unless something else attracts my attention.
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Old 06-28-2016, 10:52 PM   #33
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Amen on FIND AND READ the stickers! The buyer is, sadly, the only one that can tell if the rig is the right size/weight. The salesperson will tell you you can pull a 36' TT with a Prius if it makes the sale for them.
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Most of those towing guides are just that - towing. They usually don't discuss payload, which is usually what you impact first. Somebody with 2 kids, a wife and a dog has to get a TT with bunks, which are usually bigger/heavier than the couple alone would get. So the weight it already higher. Then they load the kids, wife, dog and STUFF into the TV and they're over on payload because all they thought about was towing capacity.
The Ford site is great for towing capacity as that is driveline based. They also will state MAX payload on all drivelines. Impossible to get closer on payload as individual trim packages and accessories will be on any individual truck. Example ~~ a 2016 F350 diesel has a max payload of 3800# but most sticker between 3400# and 3550#.


When my daughters were young there was no such thing as a slide and we had a HUGE, for the time, 28' TT for the 4 of us. Now it is just me and my wife in a 35' 5er with 3 slides which we like better than the 40' class A we had or any of the other RVs. 2 of us just need more room.
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Old 06-29-2016, 02:14 PM   #35
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When my daughters were young there was no such thing as a slide and we had a HUGE, for the time, 28' TT for the 4 of us. Now it is just me and my wife in a 35' 5er with 3 slides which we like better than the 40' class A we had or any of the other RVs. 2 of us just need more room.
This is my attempt at a funny, so nobody take offence to this.

You need more room as you get older so you can have a place to fall.
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This is my attempt at a funny, so nobody take offence to this.

You need more room as you get older so you can have a place to fall.
Could be for being married to the same person nearly 47 years we need more room to give our ears needed rest??
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DW and I were Girl Scout troop leaders and then Council trainers for teaching leaders camping skills. Slept in rain, freezing weather, and heat for many years in tents. Cooked over open fire, buried roasts in fire pit holes, and baked rolls in a foiled lined box. We are now looking at 40' 5th wheels and it will have a washer/dryer, satellite, 2 A/Cs and I am leaning toward one with a dish washer. LOL! When I fall I want to be comfy now days!
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DW and I were Girl Scout troop leaders and then Council trainers for teaching leaders camping skills. Slept in rain, freezing weather, and heat for many years in tents. Cooked over open fire, buried roasts in fire pit holes, and baked rolls in a foiled lined box. We are now looking at 40' 5th wheels and it will have a washer/dryer, satellite, 2 A/Cs and I am leaning toward one with a dish washer. LOL! When I fall I want to be comfy now days!
As well you should. Because when you fall, you probably won't be able to get up!
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But it was so worth it. Our "girls" (two daughters and about 6 others) are confident and can take care of themselves should the need arise. Everyone should have basic survival skills.
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We towed our WJ 3029W with my 1/2 Silverado 1500 for about 8 months close to home, nothing more than about 60 miles one way. Went out of state to see the kids and grandkids, didn't take very far into TX to figure out we needed a little more truck. Traded up to a Ford F-250 Super Duty with 6.3 diesel. LOVE it. Much easier to get fuel with the trailer hooked up - can use the truck lanes.
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