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Old 02-05-2019, 11:57 PM   #1
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Pull Surveyor 33KRLOK with Toyota Tundra?

Thinking of getting a Surveyor 33KRLOK and pulling with a 2018 Toyota Tundra.
Pulling capacity is 10,000 lbs and cargo capacity is 1660 with tongue max at 1000 lbs. I figure after passengers, cargo, and equalizer hitch, I have about 1000 tongue weight available. Am I crazy?
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Thinking of getting a Surveyor 33KRLOK and pulling with a 2018 Toyota Tundra.
Pulling capacity is 10,000 lbs and cargo capacity is 1660 with tongue max at 1000 lbs..........
If these are all specs for your truck,the 10k pulling is basically a unicorn scenario that includes the truck, full tank of fuel and a 150lbs driver....and that's all. Nothing in the bed, no passengers, not even a Big Gulp in the cup holder.

The 1660 payload is low to medium for a 1/2 ton truck. This is the number that will be exceeded before all others. It's the easiest to go over and often times the one number that's most often overlooked.

Does the hitch have a maximum tongue weight of 1000? If so, you will easily exceed that with that trailer.

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.......I figure after passengers, cargo, and equalizer hitch, I have about 1000 tongue weight available.....
Until you hit the truck scale with a full tank of fuel, your typical driver and passenger(s) (including the family hound) you really don't know. Any additions to your truck like floor mats, running boards, tonneau covers, etc. will take away from that cargo carrying capacity. Your trucks GVWR-Scale weight = Usable cargo capacity.

The trailer has a listed tongue weight of 765. Add 2 propane tanks, batteries and some gear in the front pass through and that is more likely 1000 right there. This doesn't include any additional weight of water in the fresh tank and other things. And, the hitch will add 100 pounds. For a safety factor, take the GVW of the trailer 7614 UVW + 1951 CCC = 9565 GVW

13% of GVW to figure actual tongue weight = 1243

The MAJOR concern for all of this potential combination would be the small size of the truck compared to the trailer's 37' total length. My advice would be if you move forward with your purchase, buy excellent vehicle and life insurance....I'm not joking. The trailer you're looking at is really no less then 3/4 ton territory and I'd be concerned even towing it with that.

I'm not writing all this to be a jerk and discourage you; however, I do know what it's like to haul a 30' (total) trailer with an F150 and it was maxed out and sketchy at times.

For your family's safety and others on the road, please look for a smaller trailer or a bigger truck.

And, your salesman saying that trailer is "1/2 ton towable" is a F#@%ing tool and shouldn't even be allowed to sell paperclips....He's clearly after a commission at whatever cost it may come to you and your safety.

DO SPEND TIME ON THE TOWING SECTION OF THIS FORUM TO READ AND EDUCATE YOURSELF. There are a lot of helpful people providing good information to help you make an educated and wise purchase.
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I'm with clarkbre on this: spend some quality time in the towing section of the forum. You'll learn a lot of valuable and important stuff. I did that before I got my (first) TT and it was highly educational.

Even though you can't take the trailer, you might still want to take your TV loaded like you might be taking the trailer on a trip. Then use the max gross weight of the trailer to estimate loading with 15% of the weight on the tongue as the trailer weight. You aren't likely to actually max trailer loading but, barring actual scale data, it's much better to err on the conservative end.

Off the top, you need to look at all the numbers for your TV: GAWR for front and back, GVWR, curb weight, actual payload, combined carry capacity (from the yellow sicker, not a book), tire load rating, and max tongue from the stick on the hitch. I don't have all the numbers but, from what's here, that trailer is likely too much for your truck.

Again, go bury yourself in the towing section and work out the numbers for yourself. You have to be in the rig. I don't. Satisfy yourself based on the best data you can get. Don't let the salesman, OR ANYONE ELSE, convince you to do something you aren't comfortable risking your life with.
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I agree with others, find out the TRUE numbers for your truck. I think you'll find something in the 24 to 28 foot TOPS are appropriate for that truck.

In my opinion 10,000 sounds like a suspiciously round number for the towing capacity.
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I use the One Ton Rule for towing which insists the tow vehicle have at least 2000 pounds maximum towing capacity more than the trailer's maximum allowable weight. This allows for loads in the vehicle, high summer temperatures, long steep grades, and high altitudes.

9565 + 2000 = 11,565 pounds minimum. This is F350 Super Duty country.

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As a 33RETS owner I can say that a Tundra is not enough truck. My Excursion Diesel is maxed with the my camper because I feel any bigger will be too much and I agree, the next step is an F-350- F-450.
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Sorry for almost hijacking the thread but,

Chuck, Are you serious? The rated capacity for F250 is between 12,300 and 15,000, depending on configuration, for a gasser. It's between 12,500 and 18,000 for a diesel, again depending on configuration. A properly equipped F150 - Supercrew 4x2, 6.5' bed, 3.5L Ecoboost, 3.55 rear end, 20" tires and wheels, max tow and WDH - is rated at 13,200. F350 or F450 is overkill for a ~9600 lb. trailer even with 2000 lbs. of overhead.

PS: F250 and F350 have the same range of towing capacity. The F350 costs ~$1100 more new.

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Sorry for almost hijacking the thread but,

Chuck, Are you serious? The rated capacity for F250 is between 12,300 and 15,000, depending on configuration, for a gasser. It's between 12,500 and 18,000 for a diesel, again depending on configuration. A properly equipped F150 - Supercrew 4x2, 6.5' bed, 3.5L Ecoboost, 3.55 rear end, 20" tires and wheels, max tow and WDH - is rated at 13,200. F350 or F450 is overkill for a ~9600 lb. trailer even with 2000 lbs. of overhead.

PS: F250 and F350 have the same range of towing capacity. The F350 costs ~$1100 more new.

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I dont know that a well equipped F150 rated for 13k+ towing makes any more sense than Chuck's "One Ton Rule".

If you're towing that kind of weight with an F150, buy a bigger truck.

And, if all you need is 2000 lbs more towing capacity than the trailer discussed in this thread, buy a 3/4 ton. (My F250 is rated to tow a measly 12,200 )

In both cases, proper payload, stopping ability and vehicle wheelbase should all be considered in matching the tow vehicle to the trailer.

Having towed the trailer in my signature with a 145" wheelbase F150 for 4k miles, the F250 with a 156" wheelbase, 1200 lbs more payload and heavier duty chassis and brakes was a welcome upgrade.
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As the Magic 8 Ball would say:

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If these are all specs for your truck,the 10k pulling is basically a unicorn scenario that includes the truck, full tank of fuel and a 150lbs driver....and that's all. Nothing in the bed, no passengers, not even a Big Gulp in the cup holder.

The 1660 payload is low to medium for a 1/2 ton truck. This is the number that will be exceeded before all others. It's the easiest to go over and often times the one number that's most often overlooked.

Does the hitch have a maximum tongue weight of 1000? If so, you will easily exceed that with that trailer.



Until you hit the truck scale with a full tank of fuel, your typical driver and passenger(s) (including the family hound) you really don't know. Any additions to your truck like floor mats, running boards, tonneau covers, etc. will take away from that cargo carrying capacity. Your trucks GVWR-Scale weight = Usable cargo capacity.

The trailer has a listed tongue weight of 765. Add 2 propane tanks, batteries and some gear in the front pass through and that is more likely 1000 right there. This doesn't include any additional weight of water in the fresh tank and other things. And, the hitch will add 100 pounds. For a safety factor, take the GVW of the trailer 7614 UVW + 1951 CCC = 9565 GVW

13% of GVW to figure actual tongue weight = 1243

The MAJOR concern for all of this potential combination would be the small size of the truck compared to the trailer's 37' total length. My advice would be if you move forward with your purchase, buy excellent vehicle and life insurance....I'm not joking. The trailer you're looking at is really no less then 3/4 ton territory and I'd be concerned even towing it with that.

I'm not writing all this to be a jerk and discourage you; however, I do know what it's like to haul a 30' (total) trailer with an F150 and it was maxed out and sketchy at times.

For your family's safety and others on the road, please look for a smaller trailer or a bigger truck.

And, your salesman saying that trailer is "1/2 ton towable" is a F#@%ing tool and shouldn't even be allowed to sell paperclips....He's clearly after a commission at whatever cost it may come to you and your safety.

DO SPEND TIME ON THE TOWING SECTION OF THIS FORUM TO READ AND EDUCATE YOURSELF. There are a lot of helpful people providing good information to help you make an educated and wise purchase.

Just curious what is the concern towing this trailer with a 3/4 ton truck ?

Salesman are just echoing what Forest River says about their product being half ton towable.

Case in point check out this Wildcat on the FR site...Really this is half ton towable ? This makes the OP trailer question laughable.
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halp, you have another thread where you're asking about towing a Surveyor 266RLDS. Are you still thinking about this 33KRLOK or have you moved on to the lighter TT?
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