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Old 11-30-2015, 08:05 PM   #1
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275ULSBS way to light on tongue

I just bought a 2013 275ulsbs for the purpose of bringing the side by side with us to an off road park we travel to. I was pretty much convinced the 1000 lb machine would not be to heavy to be in the rear of it. After having an unpleasant towing experience I decided to buy the sherline trailer tongue scale and do some investigating.

Unloaded, the trailer weighs around 7400 with a GVW of 11200 or somewhere very close to that. Unloaded the tongue weight is 1000 lbs. When I'm loaded with machine in rear, water, clothes etc its 10000 (give or take a few hundred depending on how much fuel and food is on board) and only yielding 600 lbs of tongue weight. Given the 10-12% belief I should have 1000 to 1200 lbs of it. When loaded the trailer doesn't even squat my shortbed 2500 dodge diesel. When unloaded it tows great, quite scary to pull loaded, wants to push me right of the road with the way it sways.

I'm upset that the RZR in the rear lightens it that much, I thought that's what these things were made for. I have the generator rack on the front from the factory with a large metal toolbox secured to it. I'm thinking of loading it up with concrete bags till I get the desired tongue weight?
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Old 12-06-2015, 01:48 PM   #2
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Strange, I have the 2014 and with my Pioneer loaded, it tows like a dream. I have a Dualie F350 with airbags and with a full load of water and supplies for 3 people for a week it drops the truck rear a few inches.
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Old 12-06-2015, 01:50 PM   #3
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I also bought the Sherline scale out of curiosity, but it arrived in the mail with a busted dial. Since the Hauler tows so well fully loaded I haven't bothered to fix the scale.
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Old 12-06-2015, 01:58 PM   #4
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What do you use for a weight distribution hitch?

Are you backing the RZR in?
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Old 12-06-2015, 03:59 PM   #5
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Not using a weight distribution hitch. I did upgrade my hitch though to something heavier duty than what the truck came with. It's a Honda Pioneer and it weighs 1000 and I usually pull it in. But I load it both ways depending on what else I'm loading. Tows the same probably because the motor is just about centered.
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Old 12-06-2015, 08:00 PM   #6
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I did not try backing the rzr in. I'm not so sure it would change much but I will try. With the sliding door separating the garage there is no way to get the machine any closer to the axles. I am using a Reese weight distribution hitch. But like I said the truck doesn't squat at all when hooked up so its not doing much. I also have airbags in the truck and would rather use them then the distribution hitch.
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It seems strange that a unit that is rated to have 1400lb tongue weight empty would only have 1000.

Have there been any modifications? Is there any weight that could be removed from the rear half of the trailer and moved to the bed of the truck?
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Old 12-14-2015, 06:35 PM   #8
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No there have been changes made to the trailer. I have been wanting to call forest river but I feel like I won't get anywhere. My solution is a small ballast box on the tongue with 12x12x1" steel plate pieces which weigh 100lbs each. This way I can change them myself based on what's in the trailer at that time. Does this seem like a good idea?
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It sounds like what a member did with their camper when they couldn't get enough tongue weight. They made it permanent and just made it match the a-frame behind the coupler. Installed battery box and propane back on top of it and it looked pretty stock.

That said, I'd really want to get full weights of the truck + camper to know your actual percentages. It's still likely very low, but I'd want more specifics before attacking anything else. Knowing the tongue weight is only a part of the facts that you need to know.
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I am using a Reese weight distribution hitch.
Which Reese WDH ?? Some do not have built in sway control.

I agree that 600 lbs is not enough tongue weight for 10,000 lb trailer.

I also have a Sherline scale. For me to get an accurate measurement, (compared to a CAT scale), I have to add and subtract weight (me getting on and off the tongue a couple of times), to get that puppy to equal out. Just setting the tongue on the scale will come up 100-150 lbs. short of the actual weight until I get the weight equaled out.

What size scale do you have ?? The weights at either end of the gauge are not as accurate as the weights in the center. The 2000 lb. scale should serve you well, but the 5000 lb. will probably not be very accurate in the 1000 and under range.

My suggestion would be to take your rig to a CAT scale to get accurate measurements with and without the WDH in place, plus 1 with the tow vehicle only. The total weight of the truck with the trailer hooked up without the WDH bars in place minus the truck alone would equal the tongue weight. Make sure all weigh-ins are with fluid levels the same, and cargo and passengers in the same place each time.
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