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Old 05-10-2013, 09:40 AM   #21
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There are custom Work and Play trailers out there (typically by equestrian makers) that are made to exactly what you want.

A goosneck horse trailer to start, then made into what you need.
Just a suggestion.

A place here in Denver called Five R does them.
That does sound like the best bet, get one custom built with the living quarters in the back, and the cargo area up front.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:54 AM   #22
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Lynk and bakken are on the right track. Many horse and stock trailers have the axles much farther back than a toy hauler. This would mean the cargo area could be to the rear, but when you loaded the cargo area, the axles would take the weight as opposed to creating a lever effect using the axles as a fulcrum if the load were to be behind the axles. Or have the cargo area up front. I think with having the axles back and the cargo to the rear, you'd have a high pin weight unloaded, whereas with bakken's idea of placing cargo up front, you'd have a much higher pin weight when loaded. Either way, with that amount of load you are talking, I think you are gonna be in 1 ton DRW territory.
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Old 05-10-2013, 10:30 AM   #23
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Lynk and bakken are on the right track. Many horse and stock trailers have the axles much farther back than a toy hauler. This would mean the cargo area could be to the rear, but when you loaded the cargo area, the axles would take the weight as opposed to creating a lever effect using the axles as a fulcrum if the load were to be behind the axles. Or have the cargo area up front. I think with having the axles back and the cargo to the rear, you'd have a high pin weight unloaded, whereas with bakken's idea of placing cargo up front, you'd have a much higher pin weight when loaded. Either way, with that amount of load you are talking, I think you are gonna be in 1 ton DRW territory.
Good point about the axles on a horse trailer being farther back. I have seen them built for rodeo dudes with the horse area in the rear, living area up front. But they have horses over the axles as well as behind, so the OP could still not likely put all of the 4000 lbs in the rear, unless it takes up as much space as 4 horses.
But that would be the beauty of a custom-built unit, as they could do whatever they want.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:38 AM   #24
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Sorry to hear you are having problems with your 30WR. We have the same hauler as you do and I have never had a single problem towing it. I agree with the other post you should not try to put that much weight to the rear of the axles. I am towing mine with a 02 Chevy Silverado EC 2500HD D/A and it does a good job with it and it has never swayed with me at all. My dry weight is 9100lbs and the only heavy thing I haul in the garage is a golf cart that weighs 550 lbs and a few other various things. From the axles forward my wife has packed everything but the kitchen sink so maybe that is why mine does not sway. I installed a B&W 16,000lb hitch with a 1600lb tongue and I am using the Reece Dual Cam Sway Control. As one of the other post stated maybe you should go to the scales and see what is going on. Good luck and I hope that you get the problem worked out.
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Old 05-13-2013, 10:15 AM   #25
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We have the same hauler as you do
That's a very nice looking TT you've got there...
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Old 05-13-2013, 10:44 AM   #26
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Thanks for the compliment. It turns a few heads at the camprounds. We are usually the only black one in the campground. I originally ordered a white one and when it came in the floor was screwed up and I refused to take it and they found me this black one which has more bells and whistles and we took it and we have been very happy with it
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:37 PM   #27
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We have a Work & Play FS28 which has a 12 foot garage in back. Honestly the only time I have adequate tongue weight is with empty garage and empty fresh water tank ! I am adding a box to hitch behind LP tanks to put anything heavy we plan to have along like jacks & tools. I am researching moving fresh water tank ahead of tandem axles ( factory install is behind axle) I am trying to carry 2 or sometimes 3
trail motorcycles. No Harley's, I'm talking XR250 Honda's & sometimes a DR650.
( the bikes are as far forward in garage as they can be ) Last year I put two salvaged sealed plastic barrels each with 10 gal. water as far forward in as could in trailer to be able to haul 3 trail bikes. If I cannot move fresh water tank then my next course will be to fill black water tank with fresh water at home before each trip, empty it when reach camp site, then would need to drive home with waste tank full..........
( and I'm on city water so $$$ ) Oh, I'm pulling with 2000 Chev C3500 dually 7.4L long box. ext. cab. Sweet truck with only 50K miles.
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:44 PM   #28
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screebs, you would think they would design these toy haulers so that you could actually haul something safely. What genius decided to place the water tank, or any tank for that matter, behind the axles?
I guess the only way to get "the perfect" camper is to have it custom built!
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:12 PM   #29
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Our 275 ULPS has 150 gal fresh water tank directly over axles, I have a box on toung with 4 deep cycle batts,jack,extra wdb bars,and there are two 30# bottles on toung. I filled fresh tank and built cabs,filled with tools,compressor,impacts,jack stands,gen set and other misc. stuff,put a Polaris 750 sportsman in garage,pulled 100 or so mi.round trip,on I-70,had no issues. Pulling with F 350 srw,with old style wdb,with just chains. I don't know exactly how much the Polaris weighs,but I'm guessing,total with tools n all other,it had1700-2000# maybe a little more, in garage.
IMHO, 4000# is TOO MUCH # in garage. In real world,I would try to balance some of that # may be with a cap or something,move some to truck. If you can go have one built, $$$$,then that is all you !
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I am about 99% sure his problem is not with HOW MUCH weight but rather WHERE that weight is. Take ependydad's advice about getting those weights.
I am in total agreement here. You are loaded AFT CG. Having a tongue weight less than 10% of total camper weight is dangerous (and potentially deadly to you and others). Severe sway is the least of your worries because a panic stop will jackknife your rig when the camper passes your truck.

In the Library (towing) there is a document that tells you how to use the CAT scale to weigh and load your travel trailer.
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