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Old 05-09-2013, 02:57 PM   #1
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Horrible first experience

We purchased a 30 WR for our business use. We need to haul about 4,000 lbs. of cargo (heavy stage, above ground pool, miscellaneous equipment) as well as have a place to sleep. We towed the WR that we purchased in January with very little equipment (maybe 1,500 lbs.) about 2,000 miles r/t in a Toyota Sequoia twice with little to no issues earlier this year.
Because we knew we were going to put a lot of miles and wear and tear on the tow vehicle, we purchased a 2013 Ram 2500 and thought we were good as gold! When we filled the trailer a couple of weeks ago the sway issues were SCARY! Luckily we live about 45 minutes from a Camping World. They were convinced it was the hitch. After purchasing a new hitch ($900) that did NOT solve the problem, the manager suggested that it was a weight distribution issue. So we moved things into the bedroom and kitchen and into the bed of the truck and it is riding relatively smooth for 2,000 miles.
BUT, here is my question. Isn't the cargo area designed to hold the weight? Distributing the cargo to the entire trailer defeats the purpose of having a designated cargo area, which was the big sell of this trailer. Any ideas? Could something be wrong with the trailer itself?
Any suggestions would be appreciated!
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:06 PM   #2
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I think that is a bit much for a 2500 and bumper pull trailer. Maybe you could add airbags or overload springs and sway control to the rear axle of the truck.

Good luck.
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:12 PM   #3
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Thanks for your response Shane & Antoinette! The 2500 is rated to tow 17,400 lbs. and we did add the hitch with dual cam sway control (Reese). I'm not opposed to adding airbags, but on paper it appears that what we have should work. Do you have experience with that making a big difference?
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:16 PM   #4
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The trailer states that it has a cargo capacity of around 4900 lbs. That is including ALL items normally in a TT. The cargo capacity for the rear is probably less than half that stated capacity. If you are putting close to 4K in the rear cargo area, you are going to have problems, that won't go away. Distributing that much weight, I think, is your only solution.
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:16 PM   #5
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I'm not exactly sure what trailer you have. But I will say that, even though my knowledge about toy haulers is limited, the entire available payload CANNOT be placed in the rear of the camper. This is obviously a travel trailer if you pulled it with a Sequoia. Think about it- you have to be able to tow this toy hauler loaded or not, right? Therefore, you would have to have sufficient tongue weight when unloaded to still have at least several hundred pounds of tongue weight when loaded. The amount of tongue weight you'd need to be able to offset 4K being loaded behind the axles would be way more than what you could feasibly have and tow the trailer unloaded. Tongue weight will have to be at least 10% of the weight of the trailer to not have a sway problem. Most people will say 12-13% is optimal. You need to weigh the trailer loaded, and then get your tongue weight when loaded. This will be very revealing as to why you are having a problem.
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:19 PM   #6
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I'd take a step back and hit some scales and do some weighing. Anything you do at this point is guessing until you get some knowledge and can make an educated decision.

You need to find either a CAT Scale or local scale (quarry, dump, farmer, etc.) that you can get some weights. Specifically, you need to find out:

a) What does your truck and camper weigh with the weight distributing system hooked up (i.e. spring bars attached)
b) What does your truck and camper weigh without the weight distributing system hooked up (throw the bars into the back of your truck)
c) What does the truck alone weigh

In each case, you want to get individual axle weights - the "steer" axle on the truck (the front one); the "drive" axle on the truck (the rear tires) and then the camper's axle (obviously not in #3 because you've left the camper parked in a parking spot).

The CAT Scales are typically around $10 for the first weighing and then $1-2 for each re-weigh within 24-hours.

From these numbers, we can calculate your tongue weight and total weight for the camper.

You want to make sure the truck and camper are loaded up like you normally camp. Make sure everyone stays in their seats, etc. If you're going to an actual CAT scale - keep in mind that they're setup for big rigs and reaching the call button can be a challenge. There are 2 great suggestions for this: a) carry a 3' broom handle to push it or b) go inside before you weigh and get a phone number for the scale desk + call them from your cell from the scales.

Your goal is achieving 10-15% tongue weight for the total camper weight. As well, you want to make sure the hitch is dialed in and is pushing sufficient weight back to the front axles (dealerships generally fail you here- even though it looks like they know what they're doing).

And finally, a major deviation from above - what type of tires are on your Ram (size, type, brand/model)?
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Without knowing the specifics of your truck it is hard to tell but GCWR does not tell the whole story. If anything it will depend on the payload capacity

Also hanging 4k of the back end of your trailer behind the axles will most certainly create a problem no matter what. You always load the heavies on top of your axles.

Have you looked up your truck and its specs to see just what you can tow?
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:27 PM   #8
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I am about 99% sure his problem is not with HOW MUCH weight but rather WHERE that weight is. Take ependydad's advice about getting those weights.
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:29 PM   #9
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Once you do weigh, it'll be helpful for you to post your truck's stickers showing available payload and GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating).

See these as examples of what we're looking for:
Weight Sticker 1
Weight Sticker 2
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Thanks so much, will do this ASAP!
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