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Old 12-30-2012, 02:30 PM   #11
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well, i didn't say i was sold on them and i do think that the addition of outside flaps would be helpful, especially if the install had some missed attachment spots. only trying to show that it's a better system than i had been led to believe. remember, i have the old-style bungee system which has lots of places for bugs and water to get in. so this new system is way more secure and tighter than mine, in comparison.
based on some of the complaints i'd read, i found it to be a way better system than had been reported.
i think the main issue is quality control at the factory, than faulty design.

the 400lbs. difference between "dry" and actual is pretty standard for hybrids. my 23SS was almost exactly 400lbs. over the "dry" also. don't forget that it also doesn't include the battery.
that's why many of us are so insistent on not using fictional "dry" weights to go by.
it's even a bigger factor in the smaller trailers, like 17' and smaller, since they have very low cargo capacities that don't factor in the "400lbs." or so extra weight of so-called "options" that nearly every trailer has.
this is especially true with trailers that are targeted for those with minivans or SUV's with the standard 3500lbs. tow capacity. nearly all of these trailers have poor cargo capacities that get even lower after adding the weight of the "options". some end up with an actual cargo capacity of 100lbs.
the Vibe 6503 and 6504 come to mind, since both have CCC of around 500lbs.
subtract 400lbs. of "options" and you'll have 100lbs. of cargo capacity.

glad you got some good surprises, especially the LED's. i think the disconnect switch has been standard for awhile.
you never know when they will make these changes. there's no way of knowing which part of the production year that manufacturers will do this type of upgrade or change. they could even stop making a particular floorplan, mid-year.
I guess I characterized your words as tacit support for the new bed attachment system. Sorry about that. I do think that if it works out well its going to be fantastic at keeping bugs outside and objects (including kids) inside as you have mentioned. I've had both happen with the pop up. Being awoken to my son screaming (he was 6), in the middle of the night as he hangs half inside and half outside the pop up..holding onto the bed for dear life is a memory I dont want to forget or ever repeat (we forgot to attach the bungees on that side of the camper. That non flap system, if operable, would seem to be better at getting bunks closed too as it would have nothing working as an obstruction or needing to be stuffed inside as you close the bunk end. I paid close attention to that as I closed the bunk ends a few times during the walk thru. Time will tell. I find it hard to believe that its a catastophic failure across the board as wouldnt this forum be filled with substantially more instances?!

The one criticism I have of RVW (and possibly other dealers) is that they could certainly do a little more work at putting acutal info for a camper on the website. Afterall, I purchased a camper that was sitting on their lot. They had taken pictures of it for the website and they could have just as easily taken a picture of the sticker showing actual dry weight rather than some generic number that seems almost plucked from the air. They also could have included other info such as LED's or made it available to the salesman. Not a huge complaint but definitely something that wouldnt take much change on their part to make available better info.

In my search for a hybrid I found out about floor plans being discontinued mid year. Palomino made a Stampede S-23BH for 2013 supposedly. Two beds (drop down) and two permanent bunks. Was the first choice around this house but I found out that it was discontinued. So...alas...we settled on the 233s. No huge loss...I am happy.
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Old 03-25-2013, 11:29 AM   #12
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Thats too bad on the LEDs. Mine walked off the assembly line in mid October...when did yours? The 2013 brochure clearly states they are standard, however, the salesman (over the phone) convinced me that they were NOT in this camper. During the walk thru when the tech told me they were LEDs I didnt believe him so we popped open an overhead light above the sink and hot diggety if that wasnt an LED. I'm sure I will start hearing about the 2014's and be a little bummed that mine are missing what theirs have. Its all part of progress.

What do other 2013 graphics look like? Another thing I'm amazed they change mid year.
When I picked up my 2013 Shamrock 233s at the beginning of this month, they tried to tell me that LEDs didn't come with it; however, I pointed out that the brochure said otherwise so they were forced to swap out the bulbs for LEDs. I'll get the camper back (with LEDs and other tweaks) next week!
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:23 PM   #13
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When I picked up my 2013 Shamrock 233s at the beginning of this month, they tried to tell me that LEDs didn't come with it; however, I pointed out that the brochure said otherwise so they were forced to swap out the bulbs for LEDs. I'll get the camper back (with LEDs and other tweaks) next week!
Nice job twisting their arms to get that done. Remind me to keep my arms out your path. I like them in their current condition! Iíd be curious to know what the build date is on your camper. My camper gets delivered on Sunday and Iím more than a little curious if the bunk fan/lights have LEDís. Iím thinking not and have replacements picked out in the event that is the case.
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:31 PM   #14
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I picked up my Roo 23ss Early February, 2013. When looking at the various Roos on the lot I noticed that some units had leds while other units did not. I even pointed this out to my sales person as she hasn't noticed before. We obviously chose one with the LEDs.

I'd think you will end up with the LEDs....but what do I know?!?
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:41 PM   #15
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I already know that I have LEDís minus the light over the stove. I was told by the salesman that my unit did not come with LEDís even though the brochure said it would. My build date was 10/17/12. I went to an RV show in February and saw a 233s with a build date of 9/7/12 that did NOT have LEDís. When I went thru the camper in December the man doing the walk thru told me that it has LEDís. We opened up some of the lights and verified. I did not take a look at the bunk fan/lights though. That also gets me thinking about the running lights. Hmmm.
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Old 03-27-2013, 05:20 PM   #16
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I've only had 2 problems with our 233S since getting it last spring.

First, the DVD player went haywire while we out on our longest trip of the year. I emailed FR and had a replacement as soon as we got back. 15 minutes to swap it out and all good.

Second, on the same trip the wood panel on the fridge door dropped. I believe that part of this was due to the rough roads we encountered in the Upper Peninsula of MI. Lots of single lane gravel/dirt roads. And then secondly the nature of having that panel just slide into slots without and securing hardware. I was able to use a very slim double sided tape to hold it in. It isn't going anywhere now. But the bigger problem was when it dropped out of the door and snapped off the battery disconnect switch. Once again, the email to FR had a replacement out to me without any questions. I replaced it myself and everything is good. I opted to do the work myself rather than travel 40 miles both ways to my dealer. Saved on the gas and it really only took another 15 minutes to replace it.

Have a Happy/Safe New Year!
Had the same problem twice with the fridge door panel and it severed my battery disconnect too. Dealer took care of it though and it hasn't fallen off since.
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Nice job twisting their arms to get that done. Remind me to keep my arms out your path. I like them in their current condition! I’d be curious to know what the build date is on your camper. My camper gets delivered on Sunday and I’m more than a little curious if the bunk fan/lights have LED’s. I’m thinking not and have replacements picked out in the event that is the case.
Not sure how to find out build date.
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Not sure how to find out build date.
It is on the factory sticker - street side front, with the weight ratings and tire info.
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My 2014 Roo 183 arrived this week with LED interior lights. They are freaky BRIGHT. The "Porch" light appears to be incandescent, though. I forgot to look at the running lights, but they might be incandescent, too.
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