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Old 04-19-2015, 09:56 PM   #31
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To me it's all about safety. When we were researching new campers I wanted to be sure we weren't anywhere near max limits. Wife's 08 Durango was too close for me so I bought a Ram 1500 hemi. So glad I did. Towed the camper (23ikss) maybe 5 miles with the Durango . Lack of power was noticeable on level pavement and the shorter wheelbase caused porpoising on undulating roads. Same run with the truck was totally uneventful. Just the way I like it. My opinion.....buy more tv than you need. You won't be sorry.

I agree stay at no more than 75% or your TV max towing. Love hauling my Roo 23IKSS 5100# dry plus about 500# with propane, battery, gear etc and I bought a 2014 F150 Max Tow EcoBoost rated at 11,200# but I am about 6500# with firewood in the bed and some folding chairs, two adults, fuel, one teen and one dog. I just have to replace the P rated Pirellis with BFG X2 KO tires need an LT tire and these were always good for me.


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Old 04-20-2015, 10:03 PM   #32
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I am not sure which model GC you are looking into but the most limiting factor will be the payload limit. Most peoples vehicle set up are not overloaded in the sense they are "pulling" too much weight it is overloaded in the sense that they have too much weight loaded into or on the TV.

The GC has a payload limit between 1090 and 1270 (depending on model and 4x4 option). I'll use the 1270 number for illustration purposes and best case scenario.

1270 payload of the GC, your "dry weight" (unloaded without anything) of the camper is 602, there goes half your payload for a dry camper. Once you add gear, batteries, propane or even lets say you just load the camper to two thirds of its CC, so now the camper weighs 5500 and has a tongue weight of 690 pounds. 1270 - 690 = 580 left over. This 580 would be for personell (driver in excess of 150), luggage, cargo or anything that was added to the TV.

I am 220 and my wife is 150 and my son and car seat is 80 so that is 280 pounds and you say a family of 4 so add maybe another 50 ish pounds so 580 - 350 = 230 remaining for hitch, cargo, luggage, bikes, coolers, dogs or anything else you add.

So with the biggest tow capacity GC you could squeak by, but if you went with the smallest capacity GC you would be just over. Either way in my opinion you would be close by the numbers, now some people believe that the numbers are too conservative and just take it slow and cautions and believe they will be fine.

These are just my opinions and my estimates based on rough and "dry" numbers, do not take this as fact, I was just illustrating possible situations based on rough numbers I looked up for the 233 and GC. I hope I did help one way or the other.
The GC and Durango actually have a little higher payload capacities. I'm a big Durango fan having owned 2 different generations from brand new. Sadly, I'm not a big fan of WDH and unibody. So, it looks like a 1500 is in my future.
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Old 04-23-2015, 09:22 PM   #33
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That's a comparison chart, it doesn't tell the whole story. As I'm sure you know, options affect the capacities and capabilities. The ops in that configuration was as stated, but thanks for the chart. Either way that set up is pushing it to say the least.
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Love mine. ZF 8 speed in manual automatic mode while towing. 6.4L hemi. 0-30 in 1.3 seconds when not towing. Low profile tires prevent sway because there is no side wall flex. 15 inch brembos on the front. I'm sure the 5.7 would do fine but the 5.7 is a softer suspension on taller tires too as is the diesel.
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:13 AM   #35
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I love pulling our 21 foot 2109s with our 2014 diesel Grand Cherokee. This trailer is about 3800 lbs empty and probably 4500 lbs. loaded up. But I routinely troll the Jeep Garage forum threads on the new diesel GC, and people are happily pulling trailers as heavy as yours. I have cut and pasted Post #33 from "Bigadventure") under the thread for "towing RV trailer":

Towing RV Trailer - Page 3 - Jeep Garage - Jeep Forum

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Re: Towing RV Trailer
I tow a 2013 25' Airstream. Fully loaded the weight is 6700lbs. The Jeep pulls great. I get 17-14 mpg at 70/75. I use Reese dual cam hitch with WDH. I took it to the CAT scales and set the weight bars so that everything is balanced and the weight is equal on both axels. I had the same high temps. But it never overheated. It is worrysome though.


NOTE: The reference to "high temps" in the above post is the fact that the diesel GC engine temp rises to near (but not across) the red line when climbing steep mountain grades. Some folks have handled this by managing the paddle shifters to keep the rpms between 2500 and 3000. Others (like me) ignore the problem and just keep going. I pulled our TT over a couple of 11,000 foot passes in Colorado with no issue, other than the gauage climbing to near the red zone. No one has ever reported actual overheating under this circumstance, so it seems to be more of a gauge calibration problem than a true overheating problem.
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Old 04-28-2015, 06:38 PM   #36
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I love pulling our 21 foot 2109s with our 2014 diesel Grand Cherokee. This trailer is about 3800 lbs empty and probably 4500 lbs. loaded up. But I routinely troll the Jeep Garage forum threads on the new diesel GC, and people are happily pulling trailers as heavy as yours. I have cut and pasted Post #33 from "Bigadventure") under the thread for "towing RV trailer":

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Re: Towing RV Trailer
I tow a 2013 25' Airstream. Fully loaded the weight is 6700lbs. The Jeep pulls great. I get 17-14 mpg at 70/75. I use Reese dual cam hitch with WDH. I took it to the CAT scales and set the weight bars so that everything is balanced and the weight is equal on both axels. I had the same high temps. But it never overheated. It is worrysome though.


NOTE: The reference to "high temps" in the above post is the fact that the diesel GC engine temp rises to near (but not across) the red line when climbing steep mountain grades. Some folks have handled this by managing the paddle shifters to keep the rpms between 2500 and 3000. Others (like me) ignore the problem and just keep going. I pulled our TT over a couple of 11,000 foot passes in Colorado with no issue, other than the gauage climbing to near the red zone. No one has ever reported actual overheating under this circumstance, so it seems to be more of a gauge calibration problem than a true overheating problem.
Using a post about towing an Airstream, isn't a good representation of what it would be like towing a conventional TT.
Airstreams don't tow like normal TTs, that's why they cost so much more.
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Using a post about towing an Airstream, isn't a good representation of what it would be like towing a conventional TT.
Airstreams don't tow like normal TTs, that's why they cost so much more.


I agree especially since they are really aerodynamic but is that MPG right seems very high even for a GCherokee?


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Old 04-29-2015, 09:45 AM   #38
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I was told the tongue weight was 602, the spec on forest river web site says 602, how did you come up with close to 700? Does a WDH add to this, you say 700 to play it safe? Just wondering, thanks!
Everything on the sticker is dry weight. Take in consideration the 40lbs of propane, the battery, and even your hitch too. I have a weight distribution ball assembly that slides into my hitch that weighs 50 lbs by itself. This all adds up.
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Read post 29, he had it weighted 650...without WDH
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