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Old 04-21-2012, 07:06 AM   #21
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possibly many trips to the RV repair shop a few small repairs at the shop for him usually came close to 500 to 1,000 a visit yes they saw him coming !! Mountainman
Must have been my "so called dealer." After having years of reasonable and friendly service on all my cars and trucks at the Faulkner GMC/Buick dealership (I was deployed all over the world and never once worried about them ripping off my wife if she needed service while I was away), I was expecting the same level of respect and service at my RV dealership.

Two visits later I realized I was being treated as a bank instead of a customer.

Thus became my search to learn enough about my RV to keep from being ripped off. Soon I found I knew more about repairing RVs than they did (and how EASY that was since they were so bad at it).
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Old 04-21-2012, 07:48 AM   #22
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I agree that the key to being happy with a purchase is knowledge of the product and knowing what to do if you do have a problem.

Like others have done also, I spent almost a year reading this and other forums researching our move form a pop-up to a hybrid (drove my wife and kids crazy!). I knew what to look for, what to expect (or more accurately what not to expect) from our dealer, and how to do an inspection before taking delivery.

As a result, I was able to find a very serious leak problem before we took it off the lot. If I was't aware of what to look for, I may not of discovered it or would have believed the dealer at PDI who wanted to add some extra seal (looked to me like it was door weather stripping) around the bunk and get it off the lot. I would have agreed, taken it home and be a wet unhappy camper by now. Instead, I knew to not accept delivery and have the unit propery repaired at the factory and make sure it got done right.

It's too bad that the industry is like this, but if you know what you are in for and are willing to be your own advocate, things seem to work out.

We are currently very happy with our new, dry Roo!
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Old 04-21-2012, 09:49 AM   #23
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I just opened my bunks on my Shamrock 21SS after sitting all winter and the front bunk tent was filled with a gallon of water. 2011 we bought new last spring. The only other problems we had were the water pump cycled every 10-15 minutes (no leaks). A one way valve behind the pump was the band aid for the season. This year I have a new pump, Surflow revolution, to install. The factory pump was to noisy anyway and it right under our bunk. The dealer is 2 hours each way so a fuel cost of dropping off and picking up makes it not worth it so will fix it myself. Also our dinette table almost fell apart as all the screws were loose. Other than that, we have been happy with it.
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Old 04-21-2012, 11:26 AM   #24
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James,
You are doing the right thing by going on forums and educating yourself. You will be way better off than the majority of new owners out there and you will get the most out of your PDI and out of your camping experiences because you took the time to learn what problems you MAY run into and what you can do to AVOID them.

We have owned our 23SS since August and we absolutely love it. We also went from tent to popup to hybrid and each upgrade was worth every cent. Because of the advise on this and other forums, we went to the PDI with a checklist and a video camera in-hand and left it confident that all was well. Our dealer even strongly advised us to take it on a short "shake-out" trip so that we could look for and make a note of anything that wasn't found during the PDI.

Just remember, forum members represent a small percentage of all FR owners and those with major problems are a small percent of forum members. Take everything you read with a huge grain of salt and you'll be fine.

BTW, if you think that the Roo should be avoided based on what you've read here, you ain't seen nuthin'! You should read some of the F-150 forums I'm on. If I based my opinion on what's been written there, that truck is a menace to society and should be banned.
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Old 04-21-2012, 11:48 AM   #25
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James another newby here other than the small issue I had with our used unit and my lack of not closing a vent we have had no other problems. We are here to find answers to issues we have and some stay to lend a hand. Seem like a lot of issues are here because this is what the board has evolved to a think tank to resolve them

If I was in charge of forest river this would be my customer r and d dept to test ect I think a lot of people would be willing to help. Hell I would

It is a very good product. Like everything some issues

Look at other posts by me to see my issue. I contacted F R to get insight for is they sent out parts to repair new design rivet which I have install and is great.
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Old 04-21-2012, 12:01 PM   #26
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I cannot thank all of you enough for the feedback. I belong to or have belonged to several discussion forums in my life (Jeeps, Trucks, Tractors, Guns) and I am quite certain that after reading the hundreds of posts that I have read; this group of people HAVE to be the nicest, most down-to-earth people I have seen. You all treat each other with respect and understanding.... it's GREAT

Looks like the 233s is going to be mine after all.

Two things:
1. Please forgive me if, for the first few months, I am on here asking for advice about the Roo ALOT (and yes, I will search first).

2. Lou: I am hoping, just because of my own experiences, that "Herk" has something to do with C130....

Thank you all again.

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Old 04-21-2012, 12:07 PM   #27
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2. Lou: I am hoping, just because of my own experiences, that "Herk" has something to do with C130....
It does. 33 years flying the Handsome C-130 Hercules.
My Fini Flight (Last flight) was in a 1963 E Model tail 3-7769 at Willow Grove ARS, PA.
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Old 04-21-2012, 12:13 PM   #28
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It's not a Roo... but my new SV-264 Surveyor is seemingly without blemish... and all is right with the world! My wife added a 3" astronaut foam matress to the already adequate bedding so my "doghouse" is as nice or nicer than the main house...
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Hi James,

Expectations are another issue. People expect the same quality from their trailer as with a new car. Ain't going to happen for any number of reasons. Like a boat, you will love it but know there are some issues you will have to deal with. Nature of the beast whether it's a $100,000 MH or an $18,000 hybrid.
I may get flamed for this comment but at 57 years old and being in sales for 36 years I have come to realize that some people just can't be made happy. While 98% of the people don't care that the fabric seam on the dinette is 1/16" of an inch off, for others it is a major issue and they feel the need to post about it. When I read some complaints that are posted about campers, I am willing to bet money that the same people find fault with most of their purchases.

We try not to stress about the little things in life and not expect perfection.
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Old 04-21-2012, 02:42 PM   #30
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It does. 33 years flying the Handsome C-130 Hercules.
My Fini Flight (Last flight) was in a 1963 E Model tail 3-7769 at Willow Grove ARS, PA.
Awsome!! Thank you for your service.
I have been "moved" from one location to another aboard C130's. I miss the raw power of them (and believe it or not, the smell) almost as much as I miss the Huey's. When I went to Air Assault School, we trained out of Huey's. Got to my duty station and all of a sudden they were just "gone"... replaced by the Black Hawk seemingly overnight. Amazing.

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