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Old 04-21-2012, 04:24 PM   #31
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I may get flamed for this comment but at 57 years old and being in sales for 36 years I have come to realize that some people just can't be made happy. While 98% of the people don't care that the fabric seam on the dinette is 1/16" of an inch off, for others it is a major issue and they feel the need to post about it. When I read some complaints that are posted about campers, I am willing to bet money that the same people find fault with most of their purchases.

We try not to stress about the little things in life and not expect perfection.
I have no comment or I will catch thunder from the admins and/or moderators.
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Old 04-21-2012, 04:35 PM   #32
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OK, I'll start

We got our Shamrock 19 last year and are in love. The only issue was it needed a whole new roof after a storm brought a tree down on it a week before we left on our first trip!!

Seriously, though, you'll love the upgrade from the pop-up, the Shamrock/Roo's are great vehicles, and from what I've seen, dealer support is great. Can't wait to get our for the first time this year, and we are planning on making up lost time from last year and spending alot of time in the '19 this year

Enjoy, you won't regret it!!!
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Old 04-21-2012, 04:38 PM   #33
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I may get flamed for this comment but at 57 years old and being in sales for 36 years I have come to realize that some people just can't be made happy. While 98% of the people don't care that the fabric seam on the dinette is 1/16" of an inch off, for others it is a major issue and they feel the need to post about it. When I read some complaints that are posted about campers, I am willing to bet money that the same people find fault with most of their purchases.

We try not to stress about the little things in life and not expect perfection.
I can agree with you to a point about not expecting perfection in all things...

I won't flame you by any means. But being only ten years younger than you, I can tell you that I do remember a time when you purchased things in this country and expected them to perform exactly as you were told they would, or look exactly like what you paid for. Seems that we have gotten away from that in the past 20 years. We are now expected to just "accept" what we get and then shut up about it.

I can take being shorted a few sheets on a toilet paper roll. I can take a scratch in a bed post on a new bed. I cannot take anything less than the performance or workmanship I paid for when it comes to thousands of dollars (maybe hundreds of thousands in some cases).

Maybe it is just me, but I also see a difference in businesses lately. It seems like the sales people I deal with treat me like they are doing me a favor by ALLOWING me to purchase something from them. I don't get it. I absolutely do not need them or anything they have to sell, but the attitude that I should be greatful to them is still pervasive. Maybe things have changed since you left the business world?

Anyway, Im not flaming or trying to jump on your stance. It is just my experiences and opinion only.

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Old 04-21-2012, 05:03 PM   #34
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Doesn't it really irrigate you when you know as much about the product as the sales person does? Shows the quality of about 2/3 of the salesmen today.
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Old 04-21-2012, 05:45 PM   #35
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We try not to stress about the little things in life and not expect perfection.
While you can't please all the people; all the time, you should never have issues like some poor unfortunates here that got trailers built on "Game Day." Crooked seams on cushions are not what they are griping about when they complain about quality issues.
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Old 04-21-2012, 07:16 PM   #36
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I too enjoy this forum and having recently bought a new 21rr appreciate the helpful tips and advice that people offer. I am going to add my two cents worth of comments. When I was a little boy growing up in the fifties my father bought a new Buick every year. The car dealership would tell him to take it home drive it a few days and make a list of problems and bring it back and they would take care of it. There were always problems, most minor but some like the power steering pump falling off and the AC not working might be considered major. But that was the way it was and things were fixed and made right and everyone was happy and we laughed and joked about what would happen to the next car. During this same decade the TV invaded everone's home and the TV repairman became part of the family. Most any night you could look up and down the street and see his car parked in front of someone's house. (In those days tv repairmen made house calls just like doctors, who incidently only charged $7 for a call.) Then in the sixties the Japanese began to make TV's that didn't break. In the seventies the Japanese began sell cars in the US that didn't need to be repaired right after buying them. Today campers are one of the few things that are still made in America by Americans and sold by Americans. And someone said the salesman doesn't know much about the product he sells. I can recall being in college and having a couple of sales jobs, one selling cars and the other selling campers and mobile homes. I know I didn't know much about them at the time.

I guess if this ramble has a point it would be that while the product, the sales and the service is not always perfect the world of camping provides us with lots of fun and an opportunity to enjoy the great outdoors and the company of others. I know I have enjoyed camping since my first tent in the sixties. Happy camping to all and to all a good night.
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Old 04-21-2012, 07:18 PM   #37
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Doesn't it really irrigate you when you know as much about the product as the sales person does? Shows the quality of about 2/3 of the salesmen today.
I couldn't agree more. In fact there were alot of things I knew about the unit I bought that the salesman had no clue about. Surley they have to realize that in the day and age of the Internet, you can research things till you are blue in the face. Quality of products and the people that sell them has went way down.
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Old 04-22-2012, 11:25 PM   #38
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We bought our 233S last October and LOVE it! There are minor things that may need to be tweaked, but half the fun of owning a camper is tinkering with it. This (and other) forums are a great place for advice and/or information, but as has been shared here, mostly what you hear are people looking for answers to problems, not praising a flawless product. Chalk this post up as a positive recommendation! As I said, we love our 233S!
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Old 04-23-2012, 02:31 AM   #40
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let us not forget

let us not forget
there is no feeling
like getting with family and friends
and being outdoors in an RV
of all the THINGs the wife and I do together
this is what we enjoy the most
sure we could be out there also in a tent I guess
but
it is nice having some creature comforts
as we are out in the back country roughing it
all in all
well worth a little maintenance from time to time
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