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Old 11-10-2014, 07:23 AM   #11
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The ability to get to the fridge and bathroom while "turtled" or closed was one of our higher priority reasons for choosing the 23ss model. It's not a show stopper, but it's nice to pull into a rest stop, hop in and make lunch without opening slides. That 23ikss is a beauty, though!

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Old 11-10-2014, 08:19 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by dwaynerz View Post
I think if a bear wants in bad enough the bear will find a way, hard sides or not.
From my experience in Yosemite the bears have learned that windows are easier to break than the metal sides. Some have even learned to access the trunk via the backseat. It really all depends upon how easy other food is to access.

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Old 11-10-2014, 09:07 AM   #13
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I may be partial since we have a 23IKSS but for just three of you I think it would be a great choice. Adults on the sofas air bed and the kid(s) on the dinette. The nice thing about the IKSS is having two slides so even when turtling you won't feel cramped.
And yes, I wish it did have the U shaped dinette.

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Old 11-10-2014, 11:05 AM   #14
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Of course our dream trailer would be the 23IKSS with a U-shaped dinette and the tub style of bathroom/shower offered on a couple of the 21' models.
I've thought the same thing - U dinette would be nice, and about the only thing the 23IKSS lacks to be perfect is a bigger shower.

Hopefully you get a chance to look at the IKSS and 23SS side by side to choose. My own opinion - we don't ever turtle. Even for a quick overnight, we always find a campground close to the highway. It gives the kids a chance to swim or play for a little while we have a cocktail and cook dinner. With a pull through site the front bunk will clear the tailgate of my truck, so we don't unhook which makes for a quick stop. And if its too cold to put the tents down, it too cold to camp IMO. We've added PUGS and relfectix to be comfortable down to 30 degrees or so. But we have found anything much below that has issues even turtling won't help - mainly condensation on the windows and potential for frozen plumbing.

Some people do use campers in really cold temps for hunting season or whatever, but it takes a lot of prep work. And, you can get double pane windows on the Roo now, which would be a nice feature, but it is fairly pricey.

If you do want to turtle with the IKSS absolutely get the air bed sofa.

The IKSS isn't suitable for turtling without putting the slides out. If you do, its workable, but maybe not the ideal setup. If that is only a rare occasion, the features it has when fully setup might outweigh that drawback.

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Old 11-10-2014, 06:28 PM   #15
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We turtle if it's going to rain and we want to leave the next morning. Don't have to fold up wet canvas.
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Old 11-10-2014, 08:49 PM   #16
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In our 23IKSS we have the couch that folds out and has a nice air mattress on it. I think a couple could sleep on that a one child could sleep on the dinette just fine.
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Old 11-11-2014, 08:00 AM   #17
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I have a 23ikss and a family of 3 could turtle but it would be cozy. If turtling includes overnights in a Walmart parking lot you are out as they do not want you to deploy slides which you must do in a 23ikss, If turtling is a major issue with you, I would go with a hard sided rv, however we love the extra floor space in our 23ikss and don't consider turtling much of a major issue as we would only do in a rare instance.

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Old 11-11-2014, 08:19 AM   #18
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I can easily sleep 4 in my 233s all closed up and still get to everything

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Old 12-03-2014, 08:17 PM   #19
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I would think when you turtle and plan on sleeping you would extend your slides which should give you access to everything but the beds.
We picked 233s because you can sleep 4 between bed/sofa and if needed still have floor space for an inflatable mattress.
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Old 12-04-2014, 02:53 PM   #20
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Well we weighed all the trade-offs and decided that we could live with the suboptimal nature of the 23IKSS floorplan when turtled - as we expect this to be a very rare occasion (we hope). Plus, we will mostly be a party of 3 so that (mostly) works in the 23IKSS when closed up anyway.

Our new 23IKSS is rumbling across the country towards us as we speak, so I guess I'll get to try that theory out in a few days...

Already have plans to use it over the Holidays out in the desert and then some beach camping in January. Finally remembered some of the nice aspects about living in SoCal!

Now I just have to find time and motivation to get the old PUP ready to sell... because the new Roo is going to be so much more fun to play with!

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