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Old 06-11-2012, 12:12 AM   #1
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Black water tank isn't black

Hi all, we purchased a new 2012 Roo 21SS a few weeks back and were finally able to take it out this weekend. We camped with some friends, one of whom used to sell RVs.

Long story, but we got to talking about the holding tanks and I mentioned that our black tank was the translucent white one that we could see from where we were sitting. She quickly argued that I was wrong and that the black water tank is "black". I agreed that it was my understanding that they usually are, but that ours was white just like the gray water and fresh water tank.

Not believing me, she had to get up and see for herself, and reluctantly agreed after inspecting. Unquestionably and without any doubt whatsoever, our black water tank is the same material as the gray and fresh tanks.

My question is....... Is this by design or a slip in manufacturing? (Found three other "issues" so far that I don't think should have made it past quality control). The black and gray tanks are side by side, so if it is a mistake it is a pretty blatant one. In hindsight, the gentleman who was doing our makeready commented that he had never seen a "white" black water tank, but he didn't make a big deal about it and I certainly didn't know any better at the time to question something that came from the factory.

I honestly don't care if it's not black, but our friend was telling us that the black tanks are usually of a thicker material and that I should inquire about it.

Thoughts?

Thanks!!
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:06 AM   #2
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I could be totally wrong, but I believe the terms "black water" and "gray water" refer to the type of waste water contained within each tank and really has nothing to do with the actual "color" of the tank. Black water is pee and poop, gray water is from the sinks and shower. This doesn't mean that there are not some black water tanks that are actually black, but I think most FR products use the translucent material for all holding tanks whether it is fresh, gray, or black. I also have a 21SS and my black water tank is like yours. My father has a FR 5th wheel and all his holding tanks are also translucent. Isn't the location of the 21SS's black water tank lovely? I don't recommend setting up the loungers near the rear of the camper. You get a wonderful view of that tank and it's contents! Its especially fun when someone uses the potty as we found out the hard way! BTW....why is it called "black water"? I guess it sounds better than brownish greenish murky water!
Anyway, hope you like your 21SS. We have had ours for just over a year now and love it. What are some of the issues you mentioned? Quality is pretty low in all RVs, but if you are handy most problems are easy fixes.
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:23 AM   #3
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Our old '86 Prowler TT had a translucent black water tank. It was great for for flushing out the tank after a long weekend of camping, you could see if I had flushed it out completely or not. Plus, we didn't have the sensors, so looking at the tank would show what level we were at. Of course I thought all black water tanks were translucent until we got our 5er...it's black along with the gray water tank.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:22 AM   #4
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Thank you for the quick replies... That is pretty much what I wanted to hear (that I wasn't a fluke!) Like I said, I don't really mind that it isn't black... Our friend just had me freaked out a little that the translucent ones were somehow a lesser quality and we'd be dealing with an unpleasant rupture sometime in the future. That would pretty much be the end of my RV'ing, I think. Yeah, that is kind of an unsightly place to have a translucent black water tank. Nothing that a can of spray paint can't fix if worse comes to worse!

Two of the three other things are fixed... The first one was when we were picking up the camper and going through the demo. When the slide was fully extended, it would blow a fuse that was feeding most of the circuits. There's a hot 12v wire that extends out with the slide, and they had mounted a hook to keep the slack from dragging the ground. It was misplaced jussssst enough that the last inch of extending the slideout pulled the wire so tight that it was getting pinched there, had split the cover, and was shorting out. Luckily, that was caught at the dealer and fixed, but it was the first time I asked "don't they have a quality control check at the factory??"

The next one was when we got home. We were starting to flush the antifreeze from the system and were filling the fresh water tank for the first time. When my wife was holding the hose to the inlet port, I happened to notice that there was some pretty serious dripping coming from the underside of the trailer in that general area. I peeked underneath and sure enough, it was coming from the floor somewhere. Stopped filling and traced it back to a leak where the "water hose" goes through the floor. They had screwed a zip-tie to the floor to keep the cables snug, but had pulled too hard and it had ripped the hose for the fresh water tank. It was a vaccuum cleaner looking hose and had a brand stamped on it, so I went looking online for a replacement, and it turns out that it is really some sort of exhaust hose for sawdust. Sigh. I replaced it with some flexible PVC from Lowes, but wasn't exactly happy about it.

The last one is a leaky skylight that we just found the other day when we were loading up for the trip. Luckily it is right over the shower, so I'm hoping that most of the water went into the shower and not down the walls/celing. No telling how long it was on the lot though, so it probably wasn't it's first rain. Haven't fixed that one yet.

I know that any RV is going to make sacrifices for weight and affordability/profit, but it is still a little disheartening to drop $19k and instantly start questioning the workmanship of the product. At the same time, I know anyone that is reading this is probably thinking "welcome to RV'ing"... But still.

Anyway, thank you again for setting me at ease that we didn't somehow wind up with a tank that we weren't supposed to. I'll take that one off of the grudge list and have another talk with our RV friend.

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Old 06-11-2012, 09:31 AM   #5
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My previous Jayco had a "black" black water tank. My new Rockwood has a "translucent" black water tank. I actually prefer the translucent one as I can look down and see how well it was flushed out (as unpleasant as it may be.)
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Old 06-11-2012, 10:02 AM   #6
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The terms, I believe are from military days.
Potable (not portable) water= water safe to drink
Gray water= water containing no sewage, but not safe to drink
black water= sewage water. Definitely NOT safe to drink
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Old 06-11-2012, 10:18 AM   #7
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As others have mentioned, black is not the actual color of the tank, but instead, the color of the contents.

My real question though, you bought a new camper, in the summer, but when you got home you were flushing the antifreeze out of the water lines. What kind of dealer is this, and what did they charge you for prepping the trailer??? Most want 4 to 6 hundred for prep and then time for the PDI, which should have operated every faucet, had hot water on, refer on, ......., plenty of list on here to search for. Not only should be checked with city water, but then hose removed, pump turned on and checked again with the pump and tank. Last thing dealer does, after hooking up, is drain all the tanks before you leave.
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Old 06-11-2012, 02:00 PM   #8
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Yes, in hindsight, I worded poorly... I was really more concerned about the tank material (based on our friend's concern) than the actual color. It sounds like we'll be ok in that department though.

As for the PDI.............. I'm afraid that I have myself to blame on that. We are in Texas and have tent camped for quite a while. We went out several weeks ago and were talking about how that was pretty much the last time we would be able to (comfortably) camp until fall. The conversation turned to "we should consider gettting a camper". The next weekend, we were signing papers. So it is a very safe statement to say that 1) I should have done more homework so that I knew the right questions to ask and 2) things were definitely learned along the way. Yeah though, I did wonder why there was antifreeze in it... I was actually wondering why they didn't ship from the manufacturer dry... Didn't really see the point in them sitting on the dealer's lot with water in the lines.

All in all, we love the camper, made a good decision, and are looking forward to the new experience, so I don't mean for the thread to sound overly negative. In the scope of things, what I mentioned above were just bumps in the road.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:19 AM   #9
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Glad you like the camper, and hope you make many lasting memories with it, as we have ours. Most campers come with antifreeze in the lines, even in July. In case it doesn't sell, the dealer doesn't have to worry about winter. Imagine having 50, or more campers on the lot, and having to winterize all of them? Would be over 100 gallons of antifreeze for starters, not counting labor.
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:14 AM   #10
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Thank you!

So with it being June in Southeast Texas, I haven't researched winterizing too heavily yet. Is it not possible to fully evacuate the lines and hw tank of water? I assume that the answer is "no" since antifreeze is so common.
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