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Old 04-16-2016, 09:45 PM   #1
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Please forgive me for rambling and repeating frequently asked questions, but I've been reading everything I can find, and I'm still a little confused. I'm driving 2600 miles (round trip) without my husband to pick up my 23WS on the 27th. He will happily join the kids and I camping, but this is my project to figure out.

We will primarily be dry camping, but I'm planning on getting a surge protector anyway. Many recommend the Progressive, but it's a lot more than the Camco, which resets itself. I guess if I had the Progressive hard wired, that wouldn't be an issue, but I would have to pay someone to do that. What are the advantages to the Progressive and hard wiring?

Is it recommended to use a surge protector with a generator? If not, maybe I don't need the surge protector until I book a trip with hookups, which I'm not planning on this year.

Do I need to buy a charger to go from the generator to the battery? Or is that something that's included in the generator? I'm getting the Champion 3100wt.

How big is the drain of a 400w inverter on the battery, and would I need a second battery to get through a night if I wanted to run the tv for a movie, the furnace a little bit, and the normal draws?

I am considering switching to the two 6 volt batteries. Does anyone have a specific brand/model recommendation? Is there any problem with fitting them it the 23WS without modification?

I've read about the Trimetric 2030 to measure battery usage. It sounds like a good idea, but I would have to pay to have it installed, and I'm not sure how much I want to obsess about the batteries...maybe because I've never had to replace them yet! Is it really worth it?

Is there any reason to buy a battery charger? Do you remove the batteries in the winter and bring them inside where you would use a charger periodically? And does it give you a better charge than plugging into the house? I guess it still is plugging into to the house...

Thanks you for reading all this and for the advise. It's a lot to figure out for someone who, up until now, knew nothing about electrical systems other than how to flip a breaker!
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Please forgive me for rambling and repeating frequently asked questions, but I've been reading everything I can find, and I'm still a little confused. I'm driving 2600 miles (round trip) without my husband to pick up my 23WS on the 27th. He will happily join the kids and I camping, but this is my project to figure out.

We will primarily be dry camping, but I'm planning on getting a surge protector anyway. Many recommend the Progressive, but it's a lot more than the Camco, which resets itself. I guess if I had the Progressive hard wired, that wouldn't be an issue, but I would have to pay someone to do that. What are the advantages to the Progressive and hard wiring?

I use the Camco, as half the price and it works

Is it recommended to use a surge protector with a generator? If not, maybe I don't need the surge protector until I book a trip with hookups, which I'm not planning on this year.

I would use surge supresser with a Non Invertor generator, Invertor I would not use it

Do I need to buy a charger to go from the generator to the battery? Or is that something that's included in the generator? I'm getting the Champion 3100wt.

No, us the power converter to charge the batteries

How big is the drain of a 400w inverter on the battery, and would I need a second battery to get through a night if I wanted to run the tv for a movie, the furnace a little bit, and the normal draws?

a 400 watt inverter will draw a lot of power, you can use your Champion to watch TV and the Furnace will certainly run overnight on a good 12v battery

I am considering switching to the two 6 volt batteries. Does anyone have a specific brand/model recommendation? Is there any problem with fitting them it the 23WS without modification?

I dont know, Dealer question maybe, what ever you do the batteries need to be vented

I've read about the Trimetric 2030 to measure battery usage. It sounds like a good idea, but I would have to pay to have it installed, and I'm not sure how much I want to obsess about the batteries...maybe because I've never had to replace them yet! Is it really worth it?

use a Digital Meter to measure voltage and when you reach 11 volts an example recharge

Is there any reason to buy a battery charger? Do you remove the batteries in the winter and bring them inside where you would use a charger periodically? And does it give you a better charge than plugging into the house? I guess it still is plugging into to the house...

Yes, remove in winter, you can use a low amp trickle charger, i run a 2 amp charger every couple months and they are ok with this, on season 3

Thanks you for reading all this and for the advise. It's a lot to figure out for someone who, up until now, knew nothing about electrical systems other than how to flip a breaker!
Have Fun and ask any question you have, we can help and don't worry, it will work out
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Old 04-16-2016, 10:11 PM   #3
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Lots of questions, but good to ask here before you go. A 400W inverter will draw about 10 amps from the battery. So running a full 400W for 1hr will draw an 80Ahr battery to 50% which is about as far as you want to go. As for the Generator, plug the RV in to the generator ( AC side). The generator will run things in the RV and charge the battery via the on board converter. Do not use the battery charge feature on the generator if it has one. You do not need to remove the batteries but I would put a battery tender on them. The fan on the furnace uses quite a bit of power, If you use it much during the night, you will need to recharge every day. I would definitely go with the Progressive Industries Circuit protector. It does more than just protect from surges, and it has a lifetime warranty. A major surge can kill it ( designed that way) but it will protect your investment. I would not skimp here. If you are running only on battery or the Champion Gen ( not connected to shore power) on this trip, you can probably wait until you get back. Good Luck you will do fine.
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Thanks, Flybob, that is very helpful, and I appreciate the vote of confidence!
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I started this thread Installing Hardwire Surge Protector a while back when I had similar questions. I highly recommend the Progressive Industries model for reasons stated in the thread. I hardwired the unit almost exactly like TURBS suggested in the space underneath the refrigerator behind the fuze box. Took about an hour and I am completely happy with it. I installed the digital display underneath the bathroom sink on my Roo19 on the inside of the cabinet to keep my curious little people in the family from messing with it. Using the 30 amp plugs (as shown in TURBS's photos) gives me the peace of mind knowing I can bypass the surge unit if it ever fails while camping, or remove my investment if/when I sell my Roo19. Hope this info helps. Fly Navy!!!
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Old 04-17-2016, 12:14 AM   #6
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OK3wire, thanks for the link to the thread. It definitely helps. So you don't have to bypass the PI with the Champion 3100 running?
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Old 04-17-2016, 01:28 AM   #7
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Surge protectors aren't needed with inverter generators.

Don't need a separate charger. The trailer's converter will do the charging, whether you have electric hookups or from the generator.
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I'm a little curious as to why you didn't have it delivered ! We bought our 23ws in Michigan, and we live in Maine. Mileage: 1900 miles return.

Haylett RV charged me $1800.00 to deliver it. I thought of the mileage on my truck, nights in motel , restaurants, gas, etc etc........It was well worth the $1800.00 they were charging !

Just curious !
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What are your start and finish locations? Can you share that with us?
Will you already have the generator/inverter with you when you pick up the camper?

I don't think you need to worry about a surge protector on your "bring home" trip
Sounds like a lot of fun, driving 1,300 miles, camping your way back home!
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How big is the drain of a 400w inverter on the battery, and would I need a second battery to get through a night if I wanted to run the tv for a movie, the furnace a little bit, and the normal draws?

I am considering switching to the two 6 volt batteries. Does anyone have a specific brand/model recommendation? Is there any problem with fitting them it the 23WS without modification?

Is there any reason to buy a battery charger? Do you remove the batteries in the winter and bring them inside where you would use a charger periodically? And does it give you a better charge than plugging into the house? I guess it still is plugging into to the house...
Who's installing the 400w inverter, since they don't come with one?
DEFINITELY get two batteries. I installed a 400w inverter and connected it to my two batteries.

Trojan 6v golf cart batteries are the tpo choice for RVs.
Costco and Sam's also have their own 6vs for a lower price.

You don't NEED to buy a battery charger. The trailer's converter does that. Modern converters are very good at charging and maintaining batteries.
Of course you have to hooked to shore power.
NEVER have removed batteries in the winter, as long as they stay charged up.

But having a battery charger is always a good thing to have at home. So it's a choice, not a requirement.
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