Generator? Yamaha or Honda. What size?

[HONDAMAN174]

Buy the companion. The parallel kits are about $200 additional and bulky. Plus, alwYs hi demand for those units if you ever decided to sell them.


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[Gregg Willow]

Originally Posted by JWHybrid2B

I was considering in buying two Honda EU2000 inverters and paralleling them to run the13,500 AC unit on my TT. Do I need to buy the companion ($100 more) or can I parallel the two standard EU2000? Only reason why I would want to buy the two and not the companion is that way I can separate them for different uses if need be. The companion doesn't have all the standard 30amp outlet receptacles.

The Companion does have the 30amp outlet. To get 30amp from two standards you need the Parallel Kit which has the 30amp outlet.


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[SKnight]

With the companion you still need to get a parallel kit, but it's just cables and far cheaper than the parallel kit for the regulars. The companion does have a regular plug on it, where the regular units have two.

[bikendan]

Originally Posted by HSVBamaBob

Could you post this Mod

Another issue for the group:

We want to dry camp in Wally Worlds in the summer in the south - can we run ONE of these puppies to power the 13KW A/C in our bedroom for a overnight? Can we do this on propane? HOW?

Will the genny noise be too much?

All campgrounds I know of, do NOT allow running generators during the night.
and NO, one will not power the a/c, unless it's more than 2000w.

[rana]

Originally Posted by kramocker

Wow. I've just developed a severe case of "Genny Envy".

That wasn't my intention at all. Just don't expect to be getting somthin for nuthin. It mostly depends on your intended usage. If I was a casual camper and only needed to rely.. partially.. on a genset over the course of a weekend a few times a year, I would be ALL OVER a Costco ST.

Worst case.. my genset fails and I'm really out nothing. (That's why God gave us propane and matchlite briquettes for our morning coffee. LOL)

In my case, I'm a full time boondocker, so investing a couple grand into a Yamaha or Honda is well worth the expense. Reliability is my number one concern.

Your intended usage needs to be kept in perspective vs your cash outlay.

Most importantly.. don't loose the focus..

[jslager]

mike,,, what size a/c unit do you have,,,, 13500btu or 15000btu.
I have a 15000btu on my tt and am looking to purchase a champion 3100, hoping it will be enough to power a 15000 btu a/c

[KyDan]

Originally Posted by ferguson65

. Looks like the Hondas lack a fuel shutoff, and that could be enough to sway me toward the Yamaha since I won't be running them every trip.

??? My Honda EU2000 has a fuel shut off.
One knob shuts off the engine and fuel at the same time.
I'm not crazy about the integrated knob because I sometimes like to
shut off the gas and run it until the carb is empty.
The Honda does have a carb drain so no problems!

Gas cap also has a vent shut off for safe storage in a less than ideally vented area.

[SKnight]

Originally Posted by jslager

mike,,, what size a/c unit do you have,,,, 13500btu or 15000btu.
I have a 15000btu on my tt and am looking to purchase a champion 3100, hoping it will be enough to power a 15000 btu a/c

It should be, but will likely be marginal. I'd do a voltage test during startup and running. I was told therule of thumb is that a 15K AC will draw 15A while running so you'll need to check the running wattage of the genset, that 3100 rating is usually only a surge or startup rating, you'll likely end up with just enough power to run the AC and the converter, not much room for anything else.

[SKnight]

Originally Posted by KyDan

??? My Honda EU2000 has a fuel shut off.
One knob shuts off the engine and fuel at the same time.
I'm not crazy about the integrated knob because I sometimes like to
shut off the gas and run it until the carb is empty.
The Honda does have a carb drain so no problems!

Gas cap also has a vent shut off for safe storage in a less than ideally vented area.

The running the carb empty is the issue. Yamaha has a separate fuel valve so you can turn the fuel off and let it run the gas out of the carb which is neater than draining the carb.

Just different ways of doing things.

[BigTJohn]

A 5.5 kw propane gen will run out of 60 pounds of propane in 12 hrs, running 1 a/c unit. Very much the poor use of energy, i.e. not very efficient.

[KyDan]

Originally Posted by SKnight

The running the carb empty is the issue. Yamaha has a separate fuel valve so you can turn the fuel off and let it run the gas out of the carb which is neater than draining the carb.
Just different ways of doing things.

Agreed but FYI the honda carb drain has a hose that runs out the bottom.
I usually stick an empty tuna fish can under it and catch the table spoon of
fuel in there.

What I really wish they had was a fuel tank drain. Mine can sit for 2 years
between uses and so I don't want any fuel in there anywhere. I have to
siphon the tank and then run it till it quits and then drain the few remaining
drops out of the carb.

I'm not trying to derail this thread or start a discussion about the merits
of storing dry vs wet. This works for me. Back in the bad old days before
blended gas I would just put in stabilizer and leave it. Can't do that with
"gasahol".

Happy Trails!

[1st timer]

Wow pros and minor cons to both! I'm thinking yamaha but I will probably not pull the trigger for a month or roo (lol typo) was hopeing to be picking up the new trailer this weekend but it will not be ready until next week. can't wait!

[HONDAMAN174]

Just remember that some great "steals" can be had if you are Craigslist savvy.

Bought my second H2000 for $150. Owner had taken apart most of the unit and still had not found problem. Broken intake rocker and racing fuel in tank. New rocker plus bracket I broke pulling on start cord- $30. Also helped that I had the factory manual!


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[JWHybrid2B]

Do you need the companion to run the parallel cable's or can you parallel two EU2000's? Would like to purchase the non companion model if possible. Why is the companion more money?

[Pipeman]

You need the companion model to run parallel. It has the 30 amp outlet on it.

[rana]

Originally Posted by JWHybrid2B

Do you need the companion to run the parallel cable's or can you parallel two EU2000's? Would like to purchase the non companion model if possible. Why is the companion more money?

The companion is not "required". You can parallel two standard EU2000's with the optional parallel kit. The companion is just more of a convenience having a built in socket, and might run a little cheaper between the two vs the parallel kit for two standard EU2000's. The last time I looked I think it was somewhere in the neighborhood of $200 for the kit.

[SKnight]

Originally Posted by JWHybrid2B

Do you need the companion to run the parallel cable's or can you parallel two EU2000's? Would like to purchase the non companion model if possible. Why is the companion more money?

Because it's pre wired with the 30A plug, at the end of the day it's cheaper because the $70 parallel cables for use with the companion genset is far less than the $230 the old style parallel kit uses, plus it's better on space.

Doing this from scratch, you're better off with the companion setup. Cheaper in the end, better packaging.

[JWHybrid2B]

Thanks for the responses. The reason I was considering the two separate EU2000 units was because I would get more use out of each unit since they both have extra DC outlets and if someone needed to borrow one, they would have more outlets while I still had one for my use. Also, it might be easier to sell if I ever wanted to upgrade to a larger inverter.

[JWHybrid2B]

Anyone out there have the two Champion 2,000 watt inverters using the parallel cable's? Just wondering if that set-up is working as efficient as the Honda/Yamaha system. How loud are the decibels compared to the competitor? They are quite a bit less expensive, but are they worth it?

[GreenImp]

If you're looking for a cheaper option than the Honda/Yamaha's, you should look at the Smarter Tools AP-2000i. It's priced comparable to the Champion but is built with the Yamaha YZ80 engine (same engine as the Yamaha 2000w inverter generator), is parallel capable, has the same 3 year warranty as the Honda and Yamaha, and the same decibel ratings.


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