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Old 04-23-2012, 04:35 PM   #1
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GVWR Scared Now

Okay, I know this post may belong in another section, but you folks have been so great with answers, I feel more comfortable right here.

I just got back from the certified scales. They could only weigh the total vehicle weight (not individual axles). My Suburban has a door sticker GVWR of 7200#. With whole family loaded plus the usual tools I carry in the back and full tank of gas it came up 6200#! Oh man... WTH?

After doing all of the math for GVWR subtracting for WDH weight, trailer tongue weight and family, I have only 270# left over for suitcases and "junk" inside the TV. But even then, I'm at the max!!

I am under the GM factory rating numbers for GCWR by 3500#, and the trailer loaded (not dry) will weigh about 5000 lbs (no tanks full). So I feel safe with those two numbers (until I climb my first mountain I'm sure). But that GVWR scares me.

Am I going to kill my family and possibly others on the road by having the GVWR at the limit??

Thoughts on this please as I don't want to take risks with peoples' lives.

Any "real world" experience towing with a Suburban 1500 (4.10 axle, 2WD)?

You guys have been wonderful, thank you!

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Old 04-23-2012, 05:21 PM   #2
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Kill somebody? Probably not. However from my experiences you will not be a happy camper. I assume by the numbers you have a 1500 burb. Only thing I can suggest get a 2500 suburban or start thinking in terms of a tent trailer.
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Old 04-23-2012, 05:25 PM   #3
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Thanks Donn!

It is a 2004 1500 Burban with 4.10 axle. We are committed to the 233s for many reasons at this point. Leaving behind our Jayco Pop Up because of space reasons (we have 4 kids that are getting bigger everyday!).

When you say "won't be a happy camper" do mean in terms of actual control of the whole convoy or power to get up hills?

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Old 04-23-2012, 05:26 PM   #4
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My Suburban has a door sticker GVWR of 7200#. With whole family loaded plus the usual tools I carry in the back and full tank of gas it came up 6200#! Oh man... WTH?
OK, I am confused, sorry.
What exactly did you weight?

Was it just the Suburban with the family and your "stuff" on board or were you connected to the camper?

Also I don't remember doing a work up on your TV.

What is the year, model, engine, options (like Max Tow Package, etc)
GVWR varies by year and options, so we can't be more specific without more data on your truck.

Speaking just to the safety of exceeding the GVWR of the vehicle, it depends on by how much, how, and how often. Throwing a load of paving stones in the truck for a 5 mile ride from the home store ONCE may do no permanent damage to the truck (might cause arm strain from the death grip on the wheel though). Routinely overloading it every week may result in a blown trans or engine; cracked frame; or suspension damage. As you are seeing; PULLING a load is not quite the same thing as CARRYING a load. Towing a camper that is too heavy has other issues you might need to ponder.

BUT FACTS are needed for you to assess the risk and make a valid decision.
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Thanks Donn!

It is a 2004 1500 Burban with 4.10 axle. We are committed to the 233s for many reasons at this point. Leaving behind our Jayco Pop Up because of space reasons (we have 4 kids that are getting bigger everyday!).

When you say "won't be a happy camper" do mean in terms of actual control of the whole convoy or power to get up hills?

James
Was busy typing when you posted this. Let me see what we are looking at. what year is the 233s?

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Old 04-23-2012, 05:30 PM   #6
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I went through the exact same thing last year and it's not a good feeling at all.
My truck weight in at 6173 loaded and my GVWR is 6700.
Turns out most 1/2 ton truck has the same problem when towing. I am actually 225 lbs over my payload on the truck while towing with a 1500 Ram and a 5800 lbs loaded trailer.
I know this isn't helping you any other than letting you know you are certainly not the only one, but more likely amongst the majority. That being said, I think 5000 lbs trailer for your Suburban will be just fine. Look at the other 1500 pulling 5th wheels.
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Lou,

Vehicle: 2004 Suburban LT 1500 2WD with 4.10 axle ratio and 5.3 motor.
Door sticker says: GVWR 7200#, GAWR Front 3200#, GAWR Rear 4000#.
GM says: Towing capacity 8200# with WDH.
I found a "trailering guide" on some website that I cannot remember now that says that my TV with 4.10 axle ratio has GCWR of 14000# (I think GM is lying).

When I went to the scales, they weighed the entire vehicle with all family members and the everyday stuff I keep in the back. 6200# No Trailer.

Hope that clears things up.

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Was busy typing when you posted this. Let me see what we are looking at. what year is the 233s?

Lou

It is a 2012 Roo 233s. The yellow sticker on the side says 4300# weight as it is equipped now (AC, furnishings, propane tanks and battery). It says hitch weight is 647#.

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I went through the exact same thing last year and it's not a good feeling at all.
My truck weight in at 6173 loaded and my GVWR is 6700.
Turns out most 1/2 ton truck has the same problem when towing. I am actually 225 lbs over my payload on the truck while towing with a 1500 Ram and a 5800 lbs loaded trailer.
I know this isn't helping you any other than letting you know you are certainly not the only one, but more likely amongst the majority. That being said, I think 5000 lbs trailer for your Suburban will be just fine. Look at the other 1500 pulling 5th wheels.

Thanks for the encouragement boubou!

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Power with a 4.10 rear end will not be a problem. I pull with a 5.3L Silverado and a 3.23 rear end. Pulled all over the Smokeys with no problem. We don't try to go 55 or 60 up the mountains, but so what? We are not in a hurry. You sure won't have a problem pulling a 4600# dry wt camper as far as power goes.
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