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Old 03-23-2016, 04:13 PM   #61
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Most of what I see is the Rockwood 183,190,21ss. It is a very small percent compared to everything else and I do see a lot of pop ups and those FR hard wall tent looking campers but the mass majority is regular box trailers. Lately I have been seeing a lot of Toy Haulers, which is a small percentage but I am seeing more and more being pulled by those small international cabs and F450's.

I have actually been using mine more in the colder weather without opening tent ends and using the sofa as I have this one Click image for larger version

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And when folded out works perfectly for GF and I. Sticking to tent ends only during warm weather and ratel open back tent end. I like the entire layout although we hate the shower, but manage to use it and not make a mess all over the place.

It will be interesting to see where the Hybrids go bc I looked at one of those FR HW296 units and they were $17,995 at the time I bought my Roo23ikss and I got a whole lot more few a few thousand more so went with the Roo.
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Old 03-23-2016, 04:23 PM   #62
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Hybrids were being pushed to a certain market, younger with children. Then around 2010/11 they... figured something out. We can push the stick and tin bunkhouse to that same market and increase the profit margin.
Low-end stick & tin bunkhouses have been around for some time...

Actually I think around 2010/2011 the lightweight aluminum/fiberglass "1/2 ton towable" market really took-off. Our roomy 2-slide bunkhouse is only 6,400 empty w/empty tongue of 640 & sells new for $26K from wholesalers...

In comparison, the popular Roo 233S is almost 5,000 empty w/empty tongue of 600 & priced around $21K... For the extra 1,400 lbs. & $5K our aluminum/fiberglass TT has an entire separate bedroom w/slide-out for the kids, outdoor kitchen (love it!), 2nd door to bathroom, and roomy pass-through storage & under master bed storage... With 8 cu. ft. fridge & outdoor fridge we can camp for 2 weeks without shopping for groceries (or doing laundry - lots of closet/hamper space too!) I upgraded the mattress to the same one we have at home & its super comfy...

About 2010/2011 the towing capacities of 1/2 ton trucks also really took-off. Many of today's 1/2 tons are capable of towing our 34' TT without maxing-out payload or GCVW... Also, several folks on this forum safely tow our TT with a Nissan Armada, Yukon XL, or Suburban. We camp a lot at state parks & I've squeezed 34' into some very tight spots - but I also drove construction trailers for an number of years...

We have several camping friends w/hybrids who claim they really love sleeping under fabric in fresh air etc., plus enjoy the ease of towing, etc. so I get it... However, every time they meet someone interested in camping, they also try to sell their hybrid to them... Just sayin'...

I say all of this because we ALMOST bought a hybrid for our first TT & spent a lot of time looking at everything they had on the market 2 years ago... However, now that we have camped for almost 70 days, including some that have dropped to near freezing, I am glad we didn't go the hybrid route...
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Old 03-23-2016, 05:08 PM   #63
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Low-end stick & tin bunkhouses have been around for some time...

Actually I think around 2010/2011 the lightweight aluminum/fiberglass "1/2 ton towable" market really took-off. Our roomy 2-slide bunkhouse is only 6,400 empty w/empty tongue of 640 & sells new for $26K from wholesalers...

In comparison, the popular Roo 233S is almost 5,000 empty w/empty tongue of 600 & priced around $21K... For the extra 1,400 lbs. & $5K our aluminum/fiberglass TT has an entire separate bedroom w/slide-out for the kids, outdoor kitchen (love it!), 2nd door to bathroom, and roomy pass-through storage & under master bed storage... With 8 cu. ft. fridge & outdoor fridge we can camp for 2 weeks without shopping for groceries (or doing laundry - lots of closet/hamper space too!) I upgraded the mattress to the same one we have at home & its super comfy...

About 2010/2011 the towing capacities of 1/2 ton trucks also really took-off. Many of today's 1/2 tons are capable of towing our 34' TT without maxing-out payload or GCVW... Also, several folks on this forum safely tow our TT with a Nissan Armada, Yukon XL, or Suburban. We camp a lot at state parks & I've squeezed 34' into some very tight spots - but I also drove construction trailers for an number of years...

We have several camping friends w/hybrids who claim they really love sleeping under fabric in fresh air etc., plus enjoy the ease of towing, etc. so I get it... However, every time they meet someone interested in camping, they also try to sell their hybrid to them... Just sayin'...

I say all of this because we ALMOST bought a hybrid for our first TT & spent a lot of time looking at everything they had on the market 2 years ago... However, now that we have camped for almost 70 days, including some that have dropped to near freezing, I am glad we didn't go the hybrid route...

I had a Shasta 31 for my first RV pulled boats for years, turned out the layout with full bedroom, couch, dinette was just too long and big for a layout with issues. I went to the Hybrid for ease of towing and layout, that being said however I now know the drags behind the one I own. 23ikss, heater vents are all in the rear, makes cold weather camping annoying without a space heater, blankets and heated mattress being plugged in. The shower is horrible, Shasta had glass doors and heated floors and way more vents to distribute heat. I would never buy one again, prefer fully enclosed trailers but I do like the layout of the one I have, and for GF and I it is perfect just have to make adjustments if I want to camp below 40 degrees. Also my Roo has 1/2 the storage of my Shasta which means taking less on trips or putting stuff in 1/2 ton pickup bed, all workable just annoying little things, mainly because I overlooked the pros and cons sort of thing from what I had.
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Old 03-23-2016, 05:31 PM   #64
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The last time I stumbled upon the what type RV are you in poll thread hybrids were at 13% overall.
I was having a little fun with RooVader's original post when I suggested we hybrid owners wear 1% patches.
I went to several single dealer (Forest River) shows this past year where the dealers try to unload the rest of their existing inventory to make room for new. I asked where the hybrids were (only reason I went) and was told they didn't bring any because they had already sold them - none sat on the lot very long.
I've never thought of trying to keep count, but I believe I've been seeing more hybrids over the past several years.
I've been loving this thread. Premise was that non hybrid owners don't get it and many of the posts prove the point.
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Old 03-23-2016, 05:42 PM   #65
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Well, there are quite a few us hybrid owners, who are not younger with kids.

We bought our hybrid in our 50s and have no kids.
Many of us older people hybrid owners still love the "camping " feel of hybrids vs the "shoebox" feel of regular TTs.
I'm 62 this year but still enjoy the hybrid.
We'll be taking the grandkids now that we moved closer to them.
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Old 03-23-2016, 06:06 PM   #66
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I was having a little fun with RooVader's original post when I suggested we hybrid owners wear 1% patches.
I went to several single dealer (Forest River) shows this past year where the dealers try to unload the rest of their existing inventory to make room for new. I asked where the hybrids were (only reason I went) and was told they didn't bring any because they had already sold them - none sat on the lot very long.
I've never thought of trying to keep count, but I believe I've been seeing more hybrids over the past several years.
I've been loving this thread. Premise was that non hybrid owners don't get it and many of the posts prove the point.
They typically do not sit long. More of them are sold and are out there than people realize. I considered tin canning this time around for about 10 seconds. No not really. I had a perfectly fine hybrid but wanted the Roo. Patiently waiting for 23WS.2 and tomorrow makes 4 of the 6 to 8 weeks.

I cant figure out where the cold comments come from. We camp from March to October and sometimes into November in the Western/central PA highlands at elevation and seldom use the furnace. Usually just a 1500 watt quartz heater with reflectix in the bunk windows and pugs. I can honestly say we've never really been cold and lots of times down into the 20's. 66 nights last year, 73 in 2014.......62 in 13.....lost count by memory for 12,11,10 but lots of nights in the hybrids. Maybe someday well change but probably to a class A. When I was looking at TTs I did have an eye for a Coachmen 254DSK....its a hybrid hybrid lol
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Old 03-23-2016, 06:39 PM   #67
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Well, there are quite a few us hybrid owners, who are not younger with kids.

We bought our hybrid in our 50s and have no kids.
Many of us older people hybrid owners still love the "camping " feel of hybrids vs the "shoebox" feel of regular TTs.
I'm 62 this year but still enjoy the hybrid.
We'll be taking the grandkids now that we moved closer to them.
In my 50's, we bought our first hybrid....... I am now 64 and just bought our third one, and I don't know if we will ever go for something else.....We just love hybrids.
We love bringing our grandkids, knowing there's a queen bed waiting for them.....and Dan will like that too !
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I agree with the post about no heat ducts in the front of an ikss. Don't understand why. On the other hand, I DON'T understand the post about lack of storage. We have empty storage compartments. How much stuff do you take?
I am not one of the " younger with kids " owners. Currently 69 and counting. Having a hybrid means opening one bunk when just the wife and me, but having another one available when grandkids come along. Don't have to drop the dinette or fold out the sofa.
I guess it all boils down to personal preference. Probably no single correct answer. I spent my money on what I wanted ( actually the one my wife wanted ). Not a single regret. You don't like a hybrid? Buy something else.
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Well, there are quite a few us hybrid owners, who are not younger with kids.

We bought our hybrid in our 50s and have no kids.
Many of us older people hybrid owners still love the "camping " feel of hybrids vs the "shoebox" feel of regular TTs.
I'm 62 this year but still enjoy the hybrid.
We'll be taking the grandkids now that we moved closer to them.

48 and all 4 of our boys are 19-24 so we have the Roo to ourselves as well
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For me the "increased set up time" doesn't hold water. We had an enclosed camper before and every night we would have to fold down the couch, drop the dinette and make the beds for the kids. Then every morning undo everything we did because we needed the seating. Now we have 2 short queen beds that are always ready for me to pass out er...go to bed in, all in a Roo 17.
In Oklahoma we camp March to November and while it can get pretty cold at night the little ceramic heater keeps it warm with the furnace rarely kicking on.
It is not for everyone, but perfect for our family of 5.
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