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Old 02-18-2016, 05:01 PM   #21
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I thought that since I put my question in the ( expandable and hybrid forum), I would get answers only from folks who have that type of camper!
I know what you mean but smart devices have changed the way many of us view the forum. I don't even notice which forum I am reading when using my iPhone. On my desktop computer it also makes a difference if I view the site by selecting a forum or going for "Today's Posts" options.
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Old 02-18-2016, 05:18 PM   #22
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Your Cardinal has two grey tanks ( But it's a fifth wheel ) .

Don't forget that what I have is an Hybrid ! and as MrHavercamp mentioned: I have two 33 gallons tanks on my Roo ( One black and one grey ).

Why can't the factory install one 22 gallon black tank and two 22 gallons grey tanks.

I guess that would be too easy !!!!!!!
There are people that never use their black tanks. There are also people that vary rarely use their grey tanks. So it's really a toss-up as to which tank should be bigger. It will vary person to person. I guess just making them the same size makes the most sense.
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Old 02-18-2016, 05:27 PM   #23
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I will be doing 6 days in Florida in April and bought a tote for that very reason. I guess the good news is that I would much rather dump the gray water twice!
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Old 02-18-2016, 05:40 PM   #24
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I will be doing 6 days in Florida in April and bought a tote for that very reason. I guess the good news is that I would much rather dump the gray water twice!
x2 on that. I'd rather dump the grey every other day than do 1 black. I've never filled the black in a week of camping with a family of 4+ (5 kids but 3 have left the nest). Though the tank led's always say it's full.
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Old 02-18-2016, 05:54 PM   #25
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Your Cardinal has two grey tanks ( But it's a fifth wheel ) .


Why can't the factory install one 22 gallon black tank and two 22 gallons grey tanks.

I guess that would be too easy !!!!!!!
We had an Aerolite 185 Hybrid, about the same as a Roo 19 floor plan. It had 52 gallon fresh, 22 gallon black, and 39 gallon grey.

22 gallon black was not enough. When we went to a Keystone 235 hybrid we welcomed the 30 gallon black it had but it also only had a 30 gallon grey, and the advertised 30 gallon fresh was really only 24 gallons. I ended up adding another 24 gallon fresh and lived with the grey.

When we bring the 23WS home the first mod is to add another 39 gallon fresh, its sitting in my dining room. I think the only way they could make me happy would be 60/60/60

I don't really mind dragging the tote down to the dump station once on a 10 night stay. I usually empty the black and run that down to the dump in the tote, and then haul the tote back full to refill the freshwater tank. Saves gas that way.

On a side note back in the 70's and even into the 80's at PA state parks, I remember everyone used to just run the grey out into the woods. It never caused an environmental catastrophe. No one ever complained about it. The parks are still there, the campgrounds are still there, and the woods are still there.
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Old 02-18-2016, 07:38 PM   #26
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22 gallon black was not enough. When we went to a Keystone 235 hybrid we welcomed the 30 gallon black it had but it also only had a 30 gallon grey, and the advertised 30 gallon fresh was really only 24 gallons. I ended up adding another 24 gallon fresh and lived with the grey.

22 gallon black tank is not enough for how long !!!!!........... For me it would be more than enough for a week !

As Deartruc said: 4 people and it can't fill a black tank in a week !!
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Our 34' 2-slide TT only has a 30 gray, 30 black, and 42 FW so it's "1/2 ton towable"... When our family of 5 is staying 10 days at state parks I use a 42 gal. Barker waste tote to truck-away gray but am glad the black lasts until we leave... We also have a 40 gallon expandable water bladder to carry back FW so our family of 5 can take showers in the TT vs. shower houses full of bugs... The Oxygenics shower head helps to reduce water usage.
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Old 02-18-2016, 08:01 PM   #28
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22 gallon black tank is not enough for how long !!!!!........... For me it would be more than enough for a week !

As Deartruc said: 4 people and it can't fill a black tank in a week !!
9 or 10 nights from a Thursday to Sunday or Monday a week following. If it was just me that's one thing. My wife has a real problem with campfires and beer and wine. After the first few shes not walking up the hill no more to the campground facilities Then you have my daughter in law, and the teenage nieces. You get women around a bathroom in a trailer and the next thing you know your lugging the tote tank down the road.
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9 or 10 nights from a Thursday to Sunday or Monday a week following. If it was just me that's one thing. My wife has a real problem with campfires and beer and wine. After the first few shes not walking up the hill no more to the campground facilities Then you have my daughter in law, and the teenage nieces. You get women around a bathroom in a trailer and the next thing you know your lugging the tote tank down the road.
They need to take the tote ~~ but we know that will not happen! I try real hard for full hook up sites as I no longer have a tote and would not use it if I did. Now old and gray so ~~ no way.
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I can't comment on the smarts of this mod. But I did see a mod where a person added an overflow connection from the gray to the black tank, with a check valve I believe. Like I said, not something I would do, but maybe could be an option if you did it right.
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