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Old 09-15-2016, 06:49 PM   #11
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Take a look at what jaco australia is doing with their hybrids. See link...
Seems to be an ideal solution to what many have complaints and or problems with. This system would not only assist with rainfall water deflection but also protect bunk end with tree falling debris, uv sun protection and when closed, added protection with wind driven water from driving in rain, and well as help to keep internal temps down on sunny days.

http://www.jayco.com.au/range/expanda/

Perhaps forest river should look at a design of their own. Could only help with the longevity of their product.
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Old 09-15-2016, 08:13 PM   #12
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Take a look at what jaco australia is doing with their hybrids. See link...
Seems to be an ideal solution to what many have complaints and or problems with. This system would not only assist with rainfall water deflection but also protect bunk end with tree falling debris, uv sun protection and when closed, added protection with wind driven water from driving in rain, and well as help to keep internal temps down on sunny days.

http://www.jayco.com.au/range/expanda/

Perhaps forest river should look at a design of their own. Could only help with the longevity of their product.
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That design has been around since at least 2006.
Yet no American hybrid manufacturer has adopted this design, not even Jayco of America.
I think that the added manufacturing costs would put the prices way up, out of the range of most hybrid buyers.
And not sure if added longevity is a positive for RV manufacturers.
Most hybrid owners move on to TTS or 5th wheels in a few years.
We're the rare owner whose had ours for 10 years. But we'll probably be moving on soon also.
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Old 09-16-2016, 12:58 PM   #13
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They are no longer needed with the permanent seal of fabric to bunk-end, looks better, and fold up better.
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Although, I had to fix the canvas so it no longer pulls out of the plastic channel (do a search for canvas bunk end fix).

I've never had any leaks.
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The Jayco Australia design looks like it is only different in that it has the extra door hinged at the top of the opening, plus a couple of gas struts, on each door.

Based on the price of replacement bunk doors, if Rockwood/Flagstaff were to adopt that type of bunk door design it would probably add around $1,000 to the price of a unit. Since the Roo/Shamrock models are priced at the higher end of the hybrid market (because of their higher quality), the extra cost may be seen as a deal breaker. But having an extra seal at the top of the bunk door would be great.
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My 2c:
at least to me, adding complexity and rigid surfaces to the tent ends is moving against the "spirit" of the thing for the idea, at least to me, is to have the comfort of a trailer and still enjoy the "feeling" of tent camping.

What I think producers needs to do it to make the seams and or the sealing of the seams more robust and that doesn't cost too much.
They can also produce seamless tent ends, which I think would be ideal.

As a long time tent camper I was able to seal all my tents to the point of no leaking at all and that didn't cost much to do it.
Last year we sent to the dumpster a tent we used for 14 years and we did it because the canvas on top ripped by itself so thin it was, but just a couple of days before that happened, we got really heavy rain and no leaking...

So it can be done...
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My 2c:
at least to me, adding complexity and rigid surfaces to the tent ends is moving against the "spirit" of the thing for the idea, at least to me, is to have the comfort of a trailer and still enjoy the "feeling" of tent camping.

What I think producers needs to do it to make the seams and or the sealing of the seams more robust and that doesn't cost too much.
They can also produce seamless tent ends, which I think would be ideal.

As a long time tent camper I was able to seal all my tents to the point of no leaking at all and that didn't cost much to do it.
Last year we sent to the dumpster a tent we used for 14 years and we did it because the canvas on top ripped by itself so thin it was, but just a couple of days before that happened, we got really heavy rain and no leaking...

So it can be done...
The biggest issue with hybrids isn't the tents leaking.
It's water intrusion into the surrounding materials (luan, veneer, wood)causing delam or bubbling.
Only a few have tent leak problems in comparison.
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The biggest issue with hybrids isn't the tents leaking.
It's water intrusion into the surrounding materials (luan, veneer, wood)causing delam or bubbling.
Only a few have tent leak problems in comparison.
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If they could come up with some kind of sort "rain shield" that comes out, kind of like those wind deflectors that pop up on sun roofs, that seems like it could be a relatively cheap fix for leaks with the tents out.

A decent gutter at the top would solve most of the leak issues with the bunks closed.

Seems if FR thinks they're at the higher end of the market due to their "higher quality," it would seem like these are a couple of relatively cheap fixes that would support that "higher quality."
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The biggest issue with hybrids isn't the tents leaking.
It's water intrusion into the surrounding materials (luan, veneer, wood)causing delam or bubbling.
Only a few have tent leak problems in comparison.
So water coming in through the join tent/trailer, am I correct?
If that is the case, Manufacturers could use sealing material like Sikaflex 295UV to "join" the tent material to the trailer...
This stuff is so good I think they would be able to eliminate the screws.
This is what is used in boat sealing and the tent material would rip before this stuff give...
3M should have a double sided tape that does the same.....
Eliminate the screws and glue it.
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So water coming in through the join tent/trailer, am I correct?
If that is the case, Manufacturers could use sealing material like Sikaflex 295UV to "join" the tent material to the trailer...
This stuff is so good I think they would be able to eliminate the screws.
This is what is used in boat sealing and the tent material would rip before this stuff give...
3M should have a double sided tape that does the same.....
Eliminate the screws and glue it.
No, it's water getting through the bunk door seals, due to a variety of possible causes.

Bad door seals, leaky marker lights, bad sealing around bunk door edges, trapped canvas in door seals, warped bunk door core to name some.

Rarely is there leaking where you mentioned.
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