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Old 05-05-2014, 06:13 PM   #11
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The latches do seem a little weak. I have towed ours in the rain and snow. It seals up tighter than a ducks a**. No leaks or moisture of any kind. I will definitely keep a close eye on it now.
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Old 05-05-2014, 11:40 PM   #12
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All three of mine have been leaking while open and during heavy rain. Click image for larger version

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Standing water in the Chanel above the hinge. I'm not very thrilled. I've been doing the wetting the stitching thing to season it and I'm really hoping that's it. Or it's going back to the dealer. It's brand new.
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:33 AM   #13
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All three of mine have been leaking while open and during heavy rain.
So, is your problem that the water leaks into the tent while it's n the open position? Or that the door gasket leaks while closed?
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Old 05-06-2014, 08:49 AM   #14
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Why don't you put seam sealer on the seams?
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Old 05-06-2014, 06:14 PM   #15
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I was under the impression we are not supposed to treat the tents with stuff. Is wax the preferred treatment for the stitching ?
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Old 05-06-2014, 06:33 PM   #16
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Are the leaks through the stitches? If so, have you soaked your tent ends with a house a few times? FR says to do that because the thread is designed to swell and fill the needle holes. Additional sealant shouldn't be necessary.

If you have leaks from somewhere else or if you "seasoned" the seams as described and the seams still leak, you have a problem.

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Why is it that hybrid tent ends leak, but popups don't?
It doesn't make sense to me.
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Why is it that hybrid tent ends leak, but popups don't?
What's still unclear to me is the source of the leak. If it was dry when closed but water still collected, it's not the tent that leaking. It's the door panel. If the door and seals are not installed correctly at the factory, or if the door is not closed correctly by the user, water gets in through the crack with the bunk end door closed.

I've heard that used to be a common problem. Because it was common I would attribute much of the problem to design flaw. I've also gotten the impression that the problem has been mitigated. It can't be completely prevented by the manufacturer because the user can contribute to the problem by leaving some of the tent stuck in the door, preventing a good seal.

If the trailer is new, not completely "seasoned" by getting the threads wet a few times (they swell up to seal the needle holes), and put away wet, the trapped water on the tent could leak through the seams into the interior of trailer.

Pop-ups will leak through the tent ends just the same as a hybrid. The difference when closed is the roof seals completely down on top of the trailer wall. On my old Coleman it overlapped some. There still can be a roof edge seal problem if not closed correctly, or not installed correctly at the factory.
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We had purchased a new 233S last spring. It leaked all year. I treated all the seams and all 3 beds still leaked. The beds were always wet. Took some videos to show the dealer. They were very surprised how much it leaked. We also didn't like the beds as they are not even with the edge of the trailer and the mattresses are not comfortable. They took it back as a trade in for a 23RS we picked up a week ago. No more hybrids for us.
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