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Old 05-01-2016, 11:18 PM   #11
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We didn't own a Jayco or Starcraft, just looked at them when shopping for what ended up being the Roo. We came from a string of Coleman/Fleetwood popups, and there were some things on the Fleetwood that were higher quality or better engineered than the Roo, for sure. That said the last Fleetwood was 10 years older than the Roo so perhaps things have just gone downhill in that time, but even in it's day the Fleetwood was far superior in quality and engineering compared to most of the other brands of popups... the Rockwoods were second in my opinion. Of course Fleetwood is not in the popup segment anymore. Maybe they decided to exit the segment, instead of drop quality to compete?

Grimshaw... I think you are right. As you go up in weight, and get away from the ultra light and light weight trailers you generally see a bit better construction in my experience looking around at the different models out there. I think you would find your Primetime pretty decent if you looked at some of the stick and tin models.

I think some of it is to maximize profits though also. A stamp formed steel frame is vastly superior to this welded "I" beam junk. That is what is standard in Europe and Australia in the light weights, even for Jayco. Just look at how many of the stick and tin models all of the manufacturers are pushing. I bet they have a much greater margin on those. Why anyone still builds with sticks in something that gets shaken down the road is a mystery to me, though. I will never personally buy an RV that has a wood frame with the better options that are out there today. A used one built with more roadworthy materials is a better deal IMHO.

Once the Mrs. decided on a hybrid, I just looked for the one with the best 'bones' that fit our needs. While she was looking at what the colors were, I was crawling underneath and looking at the plumbing and electrical and reading about the wall and roof construction.

Cosmetics are much easier to change than structural issues or poor engineering. I wish that they would ditch some of the darn gadgets, and spend a bit more on structure or quality control. Why do I need a TV, cable hookups, microwave, etc. as standard equipment on a hybrid. It is not something you are going to full time in. It is something you are going to CAMP in most likely. Now a fifth wheel, is a different story.
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Old 05-02-2016, 12:37 AM   #12
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I just realized that some of my previous post might offend others. I didn't mean my comments about wood frame trailers to be so much of a criticism or put down, but just my personal preference.

Please accept my apology if I offended.

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Old 05-02-2016, 08:50 AM   #13
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We came from a string of Coleman/Fleetwood popups, and there were some things on the Fleetwood that were higher quality or better engineered than the Roo, for sure. That said the last Fleetwood was 10 years older than the Roo so perhaps things have just gone downhill in that time, but even in it's day the Fleetwood was far superior in quality and engineering compared to most of the other brands of popups... the Rockwoods were second in my opinion. Of course Fleetwood is not in the popup segment anymore. Maybe they decided to exit the segment, instead of drop quality to compete?
Not exactly the reason and the "Fleetwood" of today is only a name and not the "Fleetwood" that went belly up........ Coleman made the design in the late 60's / 70's. I forget all the years and reasons but the Coleman popup business (brand rights and designs) ended up going to the old Fleetwood back in the 90's, then there were lawsuits between Coleman and Fleetwood. Around 2003 Fleetwood lost the rights to use the Coleman name, but still built the designs under the Fleetwood name. I believe the lawsuit had to do with Fleetwood cheapening up the construction and it affecting the Coleman brand negatively. Fleetwood went belly up during the recession unloading all their towable divisions and the original Coleman Somerset PA plant, and the Coleman designs ,were bought and operated for a few years by another holding group under the name FCTA. They reacquired the Coleman naming rights and re-branded them as Coleman until they ultimately closed up shop around 2011.

Sad to say it but to produce a popup equal to what the original Coleman designed and made in Somerset PA, they would most likely have to sell today for 20K or more. Coleman used to produce frames and a lot of the stamped parts in house. From what I have heard all of that original equipment to make those parts was either sold off or scrapped. Columbia NW, the makers of the Aliner, now make the Somerset brand of popups that "resemble" the Colemans. The quality and design/engineering stops at the look. They are built nowhere near as solid as the Coleman's were and even then are quite pricey.
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Old 05-02-2016, 09:05 AM   #14
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Wow, thanks for the info Mr. H! I knew some of the story but not all of it.

The Fleetwoods weren't cheap even in 2006 when we bought our last one. Even as a 1 year old camper we paid just under half of what our Roo would cost us 10 years later, but it was built like a tank compared to the roo. Unfolded length of that popup and the Roo 19 is within a couple of inches, yet even though it had a lot less 'stuff' the dry weight was only about 800 lbs. less than the Roo. That right there likely says something about the construction quality. My sister has it now, so I still have visitation rights

...and now the Coleman name is being put on some REALLY cheap trailers, but also some nice ones like the Livin' Lite popup.
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Old 05-02-2016, 10:05 PM   #15
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We were looking to trade our Crusader on a little better unit and spent a couple of days checking out new models on the lots. We did not look at all the units available but did find that any unit made somewhere other than Indiana was of better quality. The Cedar Creek and the Arctic Fox seemed to be put together better. Cedar Creek has been bought out by Forest River but the Cedar Creek Hathaway Edition still seems to be better than the others and I think that is because the old Company was left in tact and building better units. We only looked at the units with the floor plan that interested us.
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Old 05-03-2016, 05:47 PM   #16
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Finally looked at my straps today, they are on there ok but I don't like the welds. I am gonna go over them with the mig when I get time. Changing the shower head tomorrow and gonna ad another sway bar.
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Old 05-03-2016, 06:15 PM   #17
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Finally looked at my straps today, they are on there ok but I don't like the welds. I am gonna go over them with the mig when I get time. Changing the shower head tomorrow and gonna ad another sway bar.

Straps? Yours isn't angles?

I was just out playing around under it. I now do not think the tank would of fell out, but it sure did bend those angles. I sent an email to LCI and they requested pictures which I sent. They didn't have any answers other than they said to take it to a service center and get an estimate to send for them as a warranty repair. Since they could not tell me how to repair it I think they were counting on wherever I take it to come up with a fix?

I think they should of left a little space between the top of the water tank and the floor. Those MDPE tanks swell up like balloons and with no room above it all the weight and force go's down.

I stopped today and bought some steel. I am going to replace their under engineered 1-1/2" X 1/8 fabricated angles with 1-3/4 X 3/16 hot rolled ones. Problem solved. That will be cheaper than spending gas to tow it somewhere and then probably having to leave it for weeks. Other than that tank, I have to pick up some 3M weatherstrip adhesive and reattach the bottom D counter seal on the main slide and the top D counter seal on the small slide.

We're pretty happy with it overall.
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Old 05-03-2016, 06:40 PM   #18
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Yes they are angles but welded to strap pieces, where they meet I will beef up the welds, I saw my tank swelled and I am going under again LOL I didn't realize they do that!

Ok so now I am thinking about a redo for the swelling. I will be watching it and let you know what I do.

Really love this rig though!
So cozy to be in it'
Can't wait to go out again!
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So Sad, after the first loser they tried to hand you.

I guess you now have a decision to make. Will you lose most of this camping season going thru the mill with the dealer and FR or will you take matters in hand and resolve them yourself? You sound like you are able.

Put on your inspection googles and look deeper and decide.

BTW, Do you have a dark cloud following you around?
Sorry, just had to do it. Good luck.
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So Sad, after the first loser they tried to hand you.

I guess you now have a decision to make. Will you lose most of this camping season going thru the mill with the dealer and FR or will you take matters in hand and resolve them yourself? You sound like you are able.

Put on your inspection googles and look deeper and decide.

BTW, Do you have a dark cloud following you around?
Sorry, just had to do it. Good luck.
Lol..........I'll be honest.....I spent the weekend trying to make stuff break and leak. Furnace on and off, fridge on and off, cool down and then let it warm up. Oven up to max. Turned my house water pressure up to full and hooked up the city water connection. It's been plugged in on shore power for 4 days. Thats all on top of a pretty thorough inspection Friday afternoon.

Other than the instant dissappointment when I noticed that tank deal Saturday morning I'm not worried.....or skeered.

I have been loving the storms we have been having. Every time the rain stops I run out and open bunk doors and baggage doors. I have all the access panels off and baffles removed and I crawl around with a flashlight. ...no leaks....thats a plus. The neighbor thinks I went bonkers.

Most of the small stuff Ive been doing I have done on our others. The only difference is I was planning on having this in December instead of May. I have 3 weeks till our annual Memorial day 10 nighter which will be the official shakedown.......Were only 25 miles from home so all will be good.
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