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Old 07-16-2015, 09:03 AM   #11
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The rear bunk area is the warmest area during hot summer months in our 23ss. I'd hope the engineers placed more than one a/c vent for the back bed area.

We now leave the back vent wide open on the a/c itself to assist in cooling off the area back there as well as making sure the thermostat actually triggers the a/c to turn off and not have the coils freeze up (that's been a continuous problem until we started leaving that main vent open 100% of the time).



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Old 07-16-2015, 09:11 AM   #12
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I'm not sure what advantage the wardrobe slide gives you
Hard to tell from the floorplan, but looks like it gives you a "real" shower.

Putting the wardrobe in the slide makes the bathroom wider. The mostly useless shower in ours (and most of the Roo floorplans) is really about the only thing I wish was better.
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Ah, well that would be a really cool improvement if that is the case. The bench could be nice, too...just for putting on socks, collecting your thoughts in a "serenity now!" moment, or sending your spouse to the bench when you need a replacement. It better not cut down on the cross-ventilation though...that is the best part of being in a hybrid!

Now I kind of want to see it.

*EDIT* Hold the boat...where is the food pantry?
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Old 07-16-2015, 10:32 AM   #14
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The first two pics are the 21BD.... Anxious to take delivery on mine so I've been staring at those photos often!
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*EDIT* Hold the boat...where is the food pantry?
Good catch! I hadn't notice that.

Looks like they moved the entertainment center to be beside the stove/oven and deleted the pantry storage. That's a terrible change. Having the entertainment center between the entry door and the front bunk is a perfect spot for it IMO.

The wardrobe-shirt closet combination in the 23WS is probably very similar to the wardrobe-pantry beside the rear bed in the 23SS, so I would think there wouldn't be much loss of storage in that area, but the 23SS's pantry beside the stove is a great feature that's not in the 23WS.

The new door that's hinged beside the refrigerator will probably almost always be left open unless there is an AC ceiling vent in that area, so I'm not sure if anyone would consider it an improvement over the 23SS. As RooVader said, it would be a negative to reduce air movement to the rear bed area.
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Old 07-16-2015, 01:44 PM   #16
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Ah, well that would be a really cool improvement if that is the case. The bench could be nice, too...just for putting on socks, collecting your thoughts in a "serenity now!" moment, or sending your spouse to the bench when you need a replacement. It better not cut down on the cross-ventilation though...that is the best part of being in a hybrid!

Now I kind of want to see it.

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Good catch! I hadn't notice that.

Looks like they moved the entertainment center to be beside the stove/oven and deleted the pantry storage. That's a terrible change. Having the entertainment center between the entry door and the front bunk is a perfect spot for it IMO.

The wardrobe-shirt closet combination in the 23WS is probably very similar to the wardrobe-pantry beside the rear bed in the 23SS, so I would think there wouldn't be much loss of storage in that area, but the 23SS's pantry beside the stove is a great feature that's not in the 23WS.

The new door that's hinged beside the refrigerator will probably almost always be left open unless there is an AC ceiling vent in that area, so I'm not sure if anyone would consider it an improvement over the 23SS. As RooVader said, it would be a negative to reduce air movement to the rear bed area.
The loss of pantry and relocation of the entertainment center are definitely draw backs to what I would consider and excellent floor plan for my needs/wants. If weren't for those I think I would be pushing the order button pretty soon. Will have to wait and see for myself when I can though. The door I would imagine could always be removed.
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Yeah, large bathrooms are great but I wouldn't want it at the expense of a food pantry.

If they can ever figure out a way to give me the DK bathroom, a sofa and dinette, a full outdoor kitchen with sink, fridge and tv mount...and keep it at 23ish feet....well, i will take a financial bloodbath and trade so fast your head would spin. I know it is possible...with just the right slides...and the right creativity.

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Yeah, large bathrooms are great but I wouldn't want it at the expense of a food pantry.

If they can ever figure out a way to give me the DK bathroom, a sofa and dinette, a full outdoor kitchen with sink, fridge and tv mount...and keep it at 23ish feet....well, i will take a financial bloodbath and trade so fast your head would spin. I know it is possible...with just the right slides...and the right creativity.

Build it...and he will come.
Lol, thats quite the list. Not sure it would all fit in the 23ish foot length.

Come to think of it, are there any hybrids over 23'? Don't recall seeing any, wonder why the limit.?.?
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Lol, thats quite the list. Not sure it would all fit in the 23ish foot length.

Come to think of it, are there any hybrids over 23'? Don't recall seeing any, wonder why the limit.?.?

Oh, it is possible. I just sketched it out on paper. Bam. Done. Put it into production. It is a 3 foot longer DK...and it is spectacular!

Forest River, when you build the 23DSE (Dark Side Edition), make sure you only offer it in wood grain floors and black/charcoal fabrics. Also make sure there are blue lights in the outdoor kitchen. Please and thank you. Also I would like one at cost in exchange for my elaborate paper sketch that will give you everything you need to build it.
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Lol, thats quite the list. Not sure it would all fit in the 23ish foot length.

Come to think of it, are there any hybrids over 23'? Don't recall seeing any, wonder why the limit.?.?
Most of the major hybrid manufacturers made longer hybrids at some time.
Most were quad bunkhouse models.
But when FR came out with the the 3 bed models, which immediately became more popular, the quad bunkhouse models slowly were dropped.
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