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Old 10-23-2015, 11:35 PM   #21
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I recommend night shades and jack, and voted no on the window upgrade. I do like the stainless steel appliance package we got, the slide-out cover is well worth the money, and wish we had ordered the second vent fan cover and the larger BTU air conditioner.
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Old 10-24-2015, 05:33 AM   #22
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The Rockwood Dealer Sales Order Form for 2016 effective 8-31-15 lists the following as options. Erik, this is what you will be working from with a dealer until they change it. Some are supposedly mandatory but your dealer can work with the rep and get things changed. All in all not many decisions to make and if the dealer is not inflating the prices most are a no brainer. I underlined what we ordered.

My logic for not we did not order.

Power Awning. I have helped pick up the mangled mess of too many of these at the state park. I prefer to carport the arms and be able to use 2 sets of de flappers and the Camco 4514 hold down strap, and have never lost an awning when others have. Every awning I have seen destroyed for the last few years, at least 1/2 a dozen, has been the powered ones. We have 2 friends whose power awnings were hit by the wind and torqued, so now they require a manual push to get them all the way retracted. Not so powered now. We do not want to need to retract the awning once we are set up as under the awning is our cooking setup and camp chef 3 burner. We spend most of our time outside. The downside of this is you do not get the LED light strip but those are easy to add. Actually were not even sure / confirmed we can get this due to the arms being longer and the wardrobe slide. The dealer is supposedly waiting to hear back from engineering. If you look at the 23WS they have taken up every inch of awning rail with the power awning. It looks to me to do the manual of the same size they need to move the rear running light forward a few inches. Or possibly shorten the awning by a foot and it looks like there would be enough room to get the vertical arm between the ward slide and light. I left it at if they only need to shorten it by a foot ok, any more than that we need to talk.


Heated tanks. Waste of money with no underbelly enclosure. What keeps the exposed pex from freezing? Easily added later if wanted.

Stainless Appliance package. Money better spent elsewhere.

Thermopane windows. Not much good on a HTT / R7 wall / expensive option.

Outside Grill. Already have 3 and seldom used. You still get the rail and LP port.

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Gas / Electric water heater.
Outside speakers.
Maple cabinetry with solid maple cabinet doors.
Night shades.
Stainless steel appliance package.
Power tongue jack.
Wood look floor.
Thermopane windows.
Gas oven (required in 21DK,23IKSS,3WS).
Double door refer (17' only) (183, 19 required).
Single or raised panel refer (17 only).
Raised panel refer fronts.
Heated holding tanks.
15000 BTU ducted roof AC w/package.
Power awning w/package.
Spare tire and cover.
Hide a bed option (21SS, 23IKSS,21SSL).
Slide topper - small.
Slide topper - large.
Chrome look wheel covers.
Aluminum wheels (STD 21SSL) (Included in sapphire pkg).
Outside grill.
1/2 sliding trunk (N/A 17, 183, 19, 21DK, 233S, 23IKSS, 3WS).
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Fuel station 18 gallon (21SSL only).
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2X Maxxair ventilation fan and vent cover.
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Old 10-24-2015, 09:17 AM   #23
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Roo Options

Basically here is what I am looking at:

23IKSS

Cabinets: Maple

Fabric: Aspen

Packages: Sapphire & Convenience C

Options:
Wood Look Floors
CO Detector
24" TV
15k BTU A/C
Rear Bunk TV
Night Shades
Deluxe Tri-Fold Sleep Sofa
Free Standing Table & Chairs
Water-Pur Filtration System
Maxxair and Cover
Heated Mattress
Power Awning
Awning Slide Topper
Power Tongue Jack
Spare Tire Carrier & Cover

I am not sure what are Standard Options (SO), because I don't think you can delete/ choose not to have them?

I really don't want the Heated Mattress, Outdoor Speakers, or the Outdoor Shower, but I am not going to fight to have them removed. If the MaxxFan are not at least the Plus models with Intake/Exhaust options then I would remove those as well. I would add the MaxxFan Deluxe Models as a mod/ upgrade. I am still reviewing the power awning & power tongue jack options.

The jack I might want a better model.

The Cabinets, Fabric, & Free Standing Table & Chairs are still in negotiation with the wife. We will need to visit my favorite dealer to see if they have a model for us to see these in person.


Mr Havercamp is it not possible to carport/strap down the Power Awning?

We camp in areas with strong winds, so this was one of the mods I was going to do.



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Old 10-24-2015, 09:25 AM   #24
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Yes, you can strap power awning to help prevent wind damage. OldCoot makes a set of brackets which he sells to FR Forum members. They work great! You will also need some awning poles which he sometimes sells. Turbs also makes poles and some people just make their own.
The power awning is a wonderful convenience and having the poles and brackets allow it to remain deployed in all but the most severe weather.
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Old 10-24-2015, 09:35 AM   #25
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DK-in-SC,

Thanks. I thought I read that somewhere.

These Power Awnings don't have the windy retract option; correct? I thought that type of awning was extremely expensive!


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I have not seen the auto-retract option on the hybrids yet, but things seem to be changing rapidly so you never know.
The awning tie down mod is definitely one of the top five mods I've done to our 23IKSS.


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Old 10-24-2015, 09:57 AM   #27
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Yes, you can strap power awning to help prevent wind damage. OldCoot makes a set of brackets which he sells to FR Forum members. They work great! You will also need some awning poles which he sometimes sells. Turbs also makes poles and some people just make their own.
The power awning is a wonderful convenience and having the poles and brackets allow it to remain deployed in all but the most severe weather.
I had seen that too. No thanks.

Now you need to carry separate poles and brackets somewhere, and piss with those. It literally takes 60 seconds longer to pull out the manual awning than to run out the powered awning and I bet I can stake it down in carport much faster than I can attach brackets, poles, and such. Everything is self storing. The arms and hardware on the manual are much stronger than the sidearms on the powered, and you do not have any shocks or motors to worry about wearing out which they will, and fast. Why do people with lots of experience with powered awnings carry spare motors, shocks, and bushings? There is also no way to put additional tension on the fabric from the sidearms easily, probably the most critical thing when it comes to surviving winds. Without that I have seen the wind rip the stitching right out of the seam on the roller edge spline or awning rail spline. I do a lot of camping where I commute to work during the week and I sure don't want to be worrying about awnings or putting them in and out multiple times. As far as the auto retracting ones just one more thing to break, malfunction, and cost a fortune to fix.

Not for me. I might get forced into it and will know next week I assume, but I will go kicking and screaming down the powered awning road.

Erik I would get a good look at those free standing table and chairs for the quality. Not that the built in is any better quality but much less chance for things to break. Also consider the extra work securing those things every time you go to move.

As far as what options are mandatory or not, I would offer that at this time of year, in the slow manufacturing season, more are truly optional than they are in the busy season starting in March and April.
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The brackets that OldCoot makes get permanently attached to the power awning arms. Your poles attach to the brackets and are self storing. Nothing to fuss with. Nothing to store.
I get to camp, deploy the power awning, pull the retaining pin on the poles and they swing down into position. I put the pin back in the poles at the desired height. Then just use a ratchet strap to anchor them to the ground. Fast and simple.


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The brackets that OldCoot makes get permanently attached to the power awning arms. Your poles attach to the brackets and are self storing. Nothing to fuss with. Nothing to store.
I get to camp, deploy the power awning, pull the retaining pin on the poles and they swing down into position. I put the pin back in the poles at the desired height. Then just use a ratchet strap to anchor them to the ground. Fast and simple.


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Choosing the free standing table and chairs costs you a lot of built in storage. An ik doesn't have much storage for bigger items, the front pass thru is not large. We keep bulky items in the dinette seats. I guess the trade off is more comfort vs more storage.
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