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Old 10-23-2015, 09:53 AM   #1
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Looking to order a Roo 23IKSS and had a few questions for those of you that might have Night Shades, Thermo Windows, & Power Tonge Jack.

1. Night Shades - Are the FR night shades worth the extra costs? Do they block out lights at night? Are they made well? Would it be a better investment to order blinds from a traditional company such as Bali?

2. Thermo Windows - with tent bunks and skylights I am not sure these have a huge value, unless turtle durning really warm or cold days. Does anyone have them on their hybrid and what are your thoughts on there value? Is there upside such as better hardware, more ventilation, etc... Are the Thermo Windows still bonded installed with the Sapphire package?

3. Power Tonge Jack - the brochure makes me think it's a factory option, but the few times shopping the Roos it appeared to be one of the upgrades the dealers wanted to add. What is the best Power Jack to buy? If a factory option what make/ model dose FR typically install? Do the factory power jacks have hook up lights?




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Old 10-23-2015, 10:39 AM   #2
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Cant provide an opinion on #1 and 2. But the Power Tongue Jack from the factory is a Lippert 3500# jack and works fantastic. it does have a hook up light.

It's well worth the $$$. Every time I use it I want to just kiss it for not having to crank on it like a madman. I wish my other trailers had one..



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Old 10-23-2015, 11:07 AM   #3
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That looks like the one the local dealer stated they "installed" as a dealer upgrade?

I just can't imagine having the Power Jack installed only as a dealer option.

I asked the local dealer if it was a dealer installed option if I would get a credit or the original manual Jack that was removed?

Each time I have gotten a BS answer.

This was from a dealer that stated they only sell trailers with Power Jacks.

I ask them where is the pile of manual jacks they remove from each trailer?

At that point the salesman would excuse himself and let us know he was available if we needed additional help!

I don't understand the BS from RV sales teams? So what if you order all the trailers with power jacks and they cost more!

Great because I am willing to pay a little more to have the Power Jack. Plus I am more comfortable with it being installed at the factory as opposed to a tech person.

They don't want to haggle over the cost of options, yet they want to charge more for dealer option upgrades?


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Old 10-23-2015, 11:30 AM   #4
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Tim,

Thank you for the reply.


Many of you have thanked me for post on the form; how?

I use Tapatalk and have the FR form app, but can't find the option to return a thank you for a post?

Is thus something that's only available on the forms website?

Anyway thank you all for your help/replies.


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Old 10-23-2015, 12:43 PM   #5
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To answer your questions:
1. Night shades are good. May not be as durable as trad blinds longterm but they serve intended function well
2. I don't have thermo windows on my ikss but I agree with your reasoning. Question their vulue on a hybrid
3. Get the power jack whether it's factory or dealer installed. Especially helps hooking up the wdh.
Hope this helps. We just finished our 2nd season with our Shamrock and it's everything we wanted. Fits our current situation perfectly.
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Old 10-23-2015, 03:17 PM   #6
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Hello, I just ordered a 2016 23WS. Expected in 6 to 8 to 10 to 12 weeks or so.

1-Get the nightshades, well worth the $123. You can't do them yourself for that.
2-Even if not a hybrid, thermopane windows do not do much when your wall is an R7 made of 1" of foam, and two pieces of 1/8 plywood. Its a $653 option which will buy lots of LP gas.
3-I think the power jack is a mandatory option. Its definitely not dealer installed. I know it already has an X in the box on the dealer order form. Regardless for $138 why not. They use frames made by LCI hence the LCI power jacks. It probably is on the frame before they build the rig. The dealer is blowing smoke and trying to charge you extra. If you want a top of the line power jack that would be a Bulldog. I'll live with the LCI until it craps the bed.
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We bought our RV off the lot and it did not have a power tongue jack nor night shades.
It did have a topper awning and power vent covers. That was the way the dealer was ordering this model.
Negotiated price and our trade. I said I was ready to sign, but what could they do about a power jack. They agreed to add a Lippert 3500 at no charge. They agreed so fast I was wishing I'd asked about the night shades - but I'd already made a verbal commitment and my word means something to me.


The power jack has been great. We tend to camp in remote areas so the lack of night shades has not been a real issue. Re. thermal windows, I don't think you would be gaining much. Besides the canvas bunk ends, you also have 2 plastic skylights and 2 plastic vent covers and a roof A/C unit for rising heat to escape.
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Old 10-23-2015, 04:14 PM   #8
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Absolutely get the night shades. The curtains are a PIA and its not worth the trouble of trying to retrofit shades after the fact.


On the double pane windows, I've found that when we camp when its cold, PUGS keep the condensation off the tent ends, but the windows still fog up. I would bet the thermo pane windows fix that, but its a pricey option. Not sure its worth the money.


Tongue jack - power for sure. Our LCI jack from the factory was LOUD and water kept finding its way inside. After 2.5 seasons, the gears seized up and I replaced it with a Barker. A little quieter, much smother. Easy replacement - 3 bolts and 2 wires. Either get the factory one or add a better quality after market one, and either way, get a cover for it. There are several threads on here about tongue jack failures and replacements.
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Old 10-23-2015, 04:40 PM   #9
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Mr Havercamp,

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I think the power jack is a mandatory option. Its definitely not dealer installed. I know it already has an X in the box on the dealer order form. Regardless for $138 why not. They use frames made by LCI hence the LCI power jacks. It probably is on the frame before they build the rig. [BOLD]The dealer is blowing smoke and trying to charge you extra. [/BOLD]. If you want a top of the line power jack that would be a Bulldog. I'll live with the LCI until it craps the bed.

Yea I am not going to purchase the RV from that dealer as both the wife and I suspect the same! They are just convenient as they are the closest to us, so we stop in to see what models they have on the lot to look at.

I wasn't sure on the Jack option as RVW website didn't list the power Jack as a factory option, but offered it under there dealer installed option; it's an Ultra 3500?


8 to 12 weeks to order? Wow thats longer than I expected! Hum. Looks like I need to order by the end of March for next season.

Thank you for the reply


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Old 10-23-2015, 04:54 PM   #10
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Jking46, CNYCamper, & KMP44,

Thank you for the info.

It's a go for night shades.

It's a go for the power jack; either way.

No go on the Thermo Windows.

If it's $600+ for that option I would rather have that money to install the Maxxair Delux vent fans with remotes (w/ thermostat builtin) in both locations.

They really move the air. Plus the remote with the thermostat is nice to cool at night and have it shut off before it gets too cold for the wife.



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