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Old 09-04-2012, 04:51 PM   #11
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Mary Beth, do you know what kind of surge protector you have, and if it has a low voltage shutdown....which could be since you are using an extension cord (which wire gauge and length are unknown to us). You will have a voltage drop that depends on how long and the wire size of your extension cord.The surge protector is a SurgeGuard -- I think it is the 30A 34520. Supposed to cut out at <102V. I am not sure of the gauge of the extension cord -- but we are planning to move the camper closer to the outlet to eliminate that variable.


Also have you verified the outlet (non gfci) your are plugging into works? Good point! I can't remember if the extension cord "lit up" to indicate power when I plugged it into the non gfci. I'll check tonight

What kind of adaptor are you using to plug into your campers 30 amp cord, then into the extension cord? I think I am using the one that came with the TT (unknown brand), but I have a second conntek adapter that I will try tonight.
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Old 09-04-2012, 04:54 PM   #12
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I have heard that if the water heater element is shorting out, that it will throw the supply GFI breaker even if the water heater is off. I don't know how that happens, but I read it somewhere. You might try taking the leads off of the water heater element (be sure the camper is not plugged into your house, and the leads are free of anything metal ), and then plug back into the house GFI receptacle, and see if that at least keeps that house GFI from tripping.
I hadn't heard that before. But the GFI tripped even with the water heater breaker switch off. Shouldn't that mimic removing the leads from the WH?

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Old 09-04-2012, 04:56 PM   #13
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Try just plugging in the extension cord to the house GFCI. The cord could have a short in it. I would also check the serge protector that the dealer in stalled. It is hardwired in and the might have attached the ground improperly.
Oh...I will also check the surge protector wiring, but all of the AC electrical worked just fine when parked on the dealer lot. But then, they likely weren't plugged into a GFCI outlet source. I can't wrap my brain around why that would matter right now, but it could if it is related to improper grounding?

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Old 09-04-2012, 05:43 PM   #14
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MB, you can pick up an outlet tester (pic attached) for around $5, which is a good thing to have anyway if you don't already in your camper toolbox...and can be used to test campground pedestals (that's another forum topic). You can grab them at any hardware place, wally world, etc.

It'll light up, and show you if everything is wired correct (or faulty) in the outlet at your house....especially reverse polarity. This way you can see if the outlet at your house is hot without having to plug anything else in it.

They make a different one to test gfci outlets.
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Old 09-04-2012, 06:51 PM   #15
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Mary Beth, do you know what kind of surge protector you have, and if it has a low voltage shutdown....which could be since you are using an extension cord (which wire gauge and length are unknown to us). You will have a voltage drop that depends on how long and the wire size of your extension cord.

Also have you verified the outlet (non gfci) your are plugging into works?

What kind of adaptor are you using to plug into your campers 30 amp cord, then into the extension cord?
DING DING DING. A winner.
Your power warden is telling you your extension cord is a "No Go."
Move the camper and you will most likely solve your problem.
If the voltage drop at the surge suppressor is less than the cut off voltage it will prevent you from hooking up to the camper to prevent damage to your converter and other devices.
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Old 09-04-2012, 07:01 PM   #16
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I'll check as soon as DH gets home with the TV!

Meanwhile, do you think the "un-re-settable" GFCI outlet in the rig's bathroom is related, or is that simply an unfortunate coincidence? At least we can take care of replacing that without having to haul to the dealer....

Thanks....and I'll let you know i
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Well, shoot.

We pulled the camper closer to the GFCI outlet so we could connect without an extension cord, and we still tripped the house GFCI outlet with all the camper breakers switched off.

I measured the voltage at the camper end of our 30A cord, and it reads 122V, so there is no low or high voltage issue happening.

It is too dark now to do much more...I was operating the volt meter by head lamp as it was.

More suggestions? Tempted to haul it to a local service shop (2 miles away vs. 80 miles to the dealer) to see if this problem still happens with their 30A source.
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At least low power has been eliminated.

Now we need to find out what is causing your GFCI to trip.

FIRST: Is the GFCI we are talking about in the camper or in the house?

You can't plug a GFCI protected circuit into another GFCI. It will make both unreliable. Is the circuit you are plugging into a GFCI (it could be upstream or it could be a GFCI BREAKER in the CB panel itself.
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At least low power has been eliminated.

Now we need to find out what is causing your GFCI to trip.

FIRST: Is the GFCI we are talking about in the camper or in the house?

You can't plug a GFCI protected circuit into another GFCI. It will make both unreliable. Is the circuit you are plugging into a GFCI (it could be upstream or it could be a GFCI BREAKER in the CB panel itself.
Lou, The only outside house circuit I can access without an extension cord is a GFCI circuit. I was sure to throw the camper's GFCI breaker to 'off' before plugging the shore cord into the camper, since I had read that this could be a problem. In fact, I threw all the breakers in the camper just to be sure that there would not be any weird draw from the camper that would blow the house GFCI. Are all the circuits in the camper GFCI?

For grins and giggles, I'll go off and check the voltage at the shore plug while plugged through an extension cord into the non-GFCI outlet inside the house....

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More data!

Interestingly, the inside-the-house non-GFCI (as far as I know) outlet WITH the extension cord still reads 123V at the camper end of the 30A cord. So, not lossy. I also checked the outlet with a tester, and it all checks out as "correct" as far s polarity goes.

Should I go ahead and try to plug the cord into the camper with the breakers off? I admit, I'm getting a bit gun-shy now! ;-)

Time to go sing some good-night songs to the kidlet...

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