Camper envy is a cruel mistress. She hit me 2x in less than a year. I backpack camp often, but not with my family, who's previous idea of "roughing it" was a 3 star hotel. I bought a used Outback Loft(hybrid) in perfect condition for a little bit of nothing (google it, kinda cool) in June of '11. In March of '12, we upgraded to Sierra 365saq, but to this day, if I know it's going to rain or storm in the middle of the night, I sent my 2.5lb backpack tent up and sleep outside. I love the sound of rain and storms, and I've been through some severe ones, and have yet to get wet. Bottom line, I like pop ups, have owned a couple over the years, but the big issue with my family is the bathroom. Myself, I'm good with "cat hole".