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Old 07-26-2014, 10:13 PM   #1
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I just got back from my maiden voyage with my new Shamrock 23IKSS. I am pulling it with a 2004 Toyota 4Runner and have a 4pt equal i zer wdh. I had the wdh installed at the dealer when I purchased it. I did some research before I purchased the camper and the 4Runner was good to go to tow the trailer. I had it weighed at a CAT Scale and was 2,000lbs under the max rating. I felt my tow vehicle was not quite enough to pull this trailer 200 miles. It was really working hard especially going up hills. It's has The V8 4.7 liter. I got about 5 miles/gallon. I spent a fortune in gas. I am considering upsizing to anotherTV. Can anyone recommend a TV for the 23IKSS? The dry weight is about 4,925.

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Old 07-26-2014, 10:16 PM   #2
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Old 07-26-2014, 10:55 PM   #3
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If you have family to consider...suburban/yukon or expedition.
If you can purchase new, I believe all the newer 1500 trucks (all makes) are decent, and Ram has done something pretty cool with their new Eco diesel in the ram 1500. If you going to be doing long trips into mountain areas...a 3/4 ton vehicle would fit the ticket. I.e.---get out of mid size SUVs and get into at least 1/2 ton vehicle. Mpg will change too.
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Old 07-26-2014, 11:00 PM   #4
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Several factors go into the "my gas mileage sucks". No you should not automatically tow with cruise control on, and yes the 5.7 (if available) would do better up hills. Head winds play a big part in gas mileage, additionally, carrying extra water (fresh, grey, black) add to the "OMG" on gas mileage. I have found that using cruse is not all ways the best. Keeping the RPM at or below 2400 is the more important issue. Feathering the gas peddle and paying attention to the road upgrades and down grades pays bigger dividends. Yes it makes the right leg sore on those long hauls, but you know its better on the drive train. One more thought is speed. With all previous understood, keeping the speed closer to the minimum posted speed limits rather than the maximum is a good thing, well, at least for gas mileage...
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Old 07-27-2014, 01:07 PM   #5
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If you need an SUV...with that camper weight you're looking at full size SUV's with tow package that'll get you between 8500-9500lb tow capacity

Your tow experience will be much easier going AND your gas tickets cheaper!
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Old 07-27-2014, 02:53 PM   #6
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We gave an f250 for our roo 23 ikss. Love fords!!

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Old 07-27-2014, 03:05 PM   #7
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When you took it to the scales, was the truck and trailer loaded like you were headed out?

I figure loaded about 6000 lbs. Headwinds, climbing grades, driving over 60 mph will kill mileage.

How did it feel when towing? Were you all over the place? Did you feel "in the way"?

We get around 8 pulling our 7500lb TT - 30 mph headwinds pulled it down to 6 on last trip. But remember, will you be towing every week/weekend or once a month?

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Old 07-27-2014, 04:03 PM   #8
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Unfortunately the V8 & tranny combos from the 2004 era are not that great on gas mileage when towing... And, although the new light-duty Ram V6 3.0 diesels & Ford V6 Ecoboost (gas) get great gas mileage, these 1/2 ton trucks' lower load capacities limit how much people & stuff you can haul when towing... In our case, I could not find a 1/2 ton that could haul our family of 5 and our 6,500 (empty) TT especially when loaded with approx. 1,000 lbs. of bikes, firewood, chairs, and other camping essentials...

To keep my truck/TT payments under what most pay for just a new truck payment I opted to go with a used 2011 Ram 2500 CC ST with 5.7 Hemi which gets about 17 mpg on my daily commute and 10 mpg towing a 34' TT that provides a GCVW (TV & TT) of close to 15,000 lbs. For my daily commute, my truck costs $1,000/year extra in gas vs. my aging V4 Accord and I know there is no way the new "Eco" trucks would get better mileage than an Accord in real world scenarios...

IMO the new 3.0L "EcoDiesel" is too small for a 2500 & I don't want a 6.7L Cummins for my daily driver. If RAM were to produce a 4.0L "EcoDiesel" paired with the 2500 frame & a heavy-duty 8 speed tranny the annual fuel savings could justify a trade-in for me. We are going to see more & more thrifty engine/tranny combos in the near future as manufacturers respond to pressure from government regulations.
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Old 07-27-2014, 04:10 PM   #9
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Before we chose the Ram 2500 crew cab, we looked closely at V8 4Runners, Sequoias & Armadas in addition to the 3/4 ton Expedition XL & Suburban. The Toyotas didn't have the tow capacity & the 3/4 ton SUVs were too pricey for us... IMO the Armada is a good SUV to tow with as long as you watch your weights. In our case we would have had to leave the bikes at home, but it was still a viable option with a tow capacity of around 9,000 lbs. depending on the year & tow package...
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Old 07-27-2014, 04:18 PM   #10
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Not all people want a p/u as a tow vehicle. Such was the case for us. We have 3 Shelties that go camping with us and a SUV was in order when we bought our '14 Flagstaff 27BESS... and it had to be a pretty good sized one at that! Hence, our decision to go with the Nissan Armada. 5.6 liter getting 10mpg towing the TT, it's comfortable and it was in our price range for the years we were looking at. Couldn't touch the Yukons/Suburbans, etc. Fortunately, it had the factory heavy-duty tow package - and it's a tank! 4x4 and it performed wonders in our snow this past winter.

Good luck in your quest to find the right vehicle, JWHybrid2B. I know what it's like towing a trailer with a vehicle that SHOULD handle the job. Did that with my '04 Jeep GC and '08 Roo 23SS. The Armada towing the 27BESS is a WORLD of difference!


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