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Originally Posted by mbvell
It's that time of year (getting colder), and I've been scouring forums trying to figure out the best way to approach a couple of late-fall/early winter camping trips we have planned to NW (Dinosaur Nat. Mon.) and SW Utah (Zion and Bryce). I've looked at weather underground for seasonal weather histories, and it looks like we could be facing 40s and 50s during the days and teens to 30 at night.
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Sounds like great trips you've got planned!
Here are my thoughts. Note that I have only camped a few weekends with freezing temps with our Shamrock. Once with water and several times with a winterized system. We carried our water then and used outhouses but did not take showers those weekends. We use to camp in freezing nightly temps quite often with our pup, which had only a very basic water system, and many times in tents. But, it sounds to me that you want the full functionality of your water system while doing this. I hope this can help you
You are an experiment of one because no one will have the same temps or freeze time. But, I know you're just looking to get an idea of what to expect.
Your lines are made of PEX, which is actually a bit resilient to ice expansion as I believe it expands slightly. Also, those overnight temps of 15-30 should not result in much freezing of your tanks. You would need much longer than overnight to freeze your fresh water tank that has many gallons of water in it.
I would shut off my pump and disconnect your water line at the source before bed and open the faucets to release some of the pressure. You will want to inspect the lines everyday and plan to carry some plumbing tools and supplies in case you need to make small repairs.
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We've got a 2012.5 Roo 21ss with tank heaters, and what looks like a partially enclosed underbelly -- the tanks are below the hard 'cover', but there is a hard, black panel that seems to keep everything but the gas lines and feeder/drain lines to and from the tanks, under wraps. SO…..given that the only park we are visiting that offers electrical hookups is Zion, what is my best bet for keeping things from freezing while we camp in the cold? Some steps I am considering:
1. Keeping the cabinet doors under the bunk ends and under the kitchen and bath sinks open to help keep the cold water lines (front) and hot water lines (rear) close to camper-temp.
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It can't hurt. You might consider a decently sized catalytic heater. The Olympian Wave 4 or 6 should work well for your camper.
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2. Insulating the couple of feet of exposed lines that runs from the fresh water tank into the seemingly-enclosed underbelly, and the sewer drain lines. (Suggestions on specific insulation welcome). I had considered some sort of heat tape, but we won't have access to 110 all the time.
3. Running the tank heaters for an hour or so before lights out, and when we awake if the temps are still below freezing.
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Heat tape will work the best. Do you have a generator? One with a remote that you could start early in the AM without having to go outside would be nice.
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Is there anything else you can suggest? Is there a way to "blow out" or isolate the lines to the outdoor shower to keep them from freezing?
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Yes, you can blow out all of the lines using a portable compressor or even a hand pump. A bit of a hassle to do nightly though. I would first try a night without blowing the lines and just release the pressure and see how that goes.
But you could separate the outside shower, which you aren't going to use anyway in cold temps (we barely use ours in warm temps), by installing a valve. My shower line is accessible from inside the trailer through the back storage area behind a false panel.
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I'd also be curious to know if anyone has more information on what is really going on with my underbelly -- is it truly "enclosed", and does it get enough residual heat from the camper to keep lines from freezing? Is the hard "covering" also insulated? (I'll try to take some pics if people are interested -- maybe this is standard on HTT....I only have a popup to compare to)
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I'm not sure if the underbelly on the Roo is "rated" for cold protection or if its just to protect the innards from flying rocks, etc.
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We have had nothing but success (knocking on wood, here) in our first two journeys with the Roo, and I don't want any surprises!
Thanks in advance,
MaryBeth
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I hope some of that helps you and let us know if you have any questions.
Good luck with your trips, MaryBeth, and let us know how you plan to deal with it and how it all worked out for you. I'm sure others would be interested in hearing about your experiences.