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Old 04-10-2019, 09:17 PM   #1
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5th Wheel 1/2 ton towable?

This is all 100% markitecture but Im curious if anyone out here actually has a 1/2 5th Wheel. If so, which model and what are you towing it with?

My Ford F150 Platinum is GVWR is about 7000lbs, and the combined weight with cargo/passengers is 1571lbs.

I have P series tires on my truck so I know that doesnt help but curious if anyone is actually pulling a 5th wheel, or rather having the 5th wheel pull them?
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Old 04-10-2019, 09:55 PM   #2
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There are plenty here towing 5'vers with 1/2-tons...

Should they be?

Maybe...probably not.

Most are maxed out or over their real payload capacity...

They'll tell you it is OK, though...and to go ahead and do it because it is OK with them.

There are very few true 1/2-ton towable 5'vers out there, but I'm not sure if FR makes any of them.

Nor does Heartland (the parent company of the 5'ver I own).

One thing to remember...dry weight doesn't mean squat and is a meaningless number.

The other...you'll run out of truck payload long before you reach the max towing weight number.
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Old 04-10-2019, 10:27 PM   #3
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This is all 100% markitecture but Im curious if anyone out here actually has a 1/2 5th Wheel. If so, which model and what are you towing it with?

My Ford F150 Platinum is GVWR is about 7000lbs, and the combined weight with cargo/passengers is 1571lbs.

I have P series tires on my truck so I know that doesnt help but curious if anyone is actually pulling a 5th wheel, or rather having the 5th wheel pull them?
Well, you bought a F150 that's spec'd with bling, instead of towing.
Although 1571lbs is pretty good for a Platinum, you're going to have a hard time finding a 5th wheel with a loaded pin weight under your payload, after subtracting the weights of occupants, truck cargo and the 5th wheel hitch.
If it had the HDPP, then you'd have payload over 2000lbs and have some choices.
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My payload in the old '11 Ecoboost was 41 less (1529) than the OP's. We overloaded the rear axle easily with the trailer in my signature and some standard gear in the bed.

While the engine may be capable of pulling your county across the state line, the rest of the truck isn't up for the task.

You'd likely have to find a 5er with a pin weight at about 15% and even that would only let you tow about 1571 - 400 (for driver and passenger) - 100 (for random gear) = 1071 available pin weight

So, if the actual pin weight of the trailer is 1071, the overall 5er weight could be 1071/.15 = 7140

That's also not including the weight of a 5th wheel hitch and components mounted in the bed.
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All great replies. Sounds like I'll need to stick to the 247BHDS I've been eyeing, and or upgrade my truck to a new 250/350.
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Old 04-11-2019, 02:51 AM   #6
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[...] My Ford F150 Platinum [... has a payload of] 1571lbs. [...]
Can a person tow a 5er with a modern 1/2 ton? Yes.

Can a person tow a 5er with your 1/2 ton? No. Not unless it's one of those super small 25' fiberglass 5th wheels.

You'll actually have a difficult time with just a regular trailer with your 1/2 ton's payload. You'll have to travel light.

For example, when I put my wife and 2 of my kids in the truck, I have 575-600 lbs of human being in the truck. I bring a 100 lbs of wood, 30 lb dog, maybe bikes, the WDH, and some random gear. I'm into it 800 - 900 lbs for a normal trip with a family of 4 ... and sometimes I'll have another kid in the truck at another 150 lbs.

You'll have 750 - 1,000 lbs for a hitch/pin. That's not much. For example, an average/small conventional trailer at 7,000 lbs will put 850 lbs onto your truck.

If you're serious about a 5er, you need payload capacity that is at least in the low 2,000s ... and there are 1/2 tons that will get you this.
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My own personal rule of thumb is to have 1000lbs of payload left over after the trailer is attached to account for passengers, cargo and any other non-factory stuff.
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In 2012, I spec'd and ordered a F-150. I ordered the max tow AND the HD package. It gave me 2,436 of payload. We pulled a 36' fifth wheel and it did wonderfully.

In 2015, we had 50K miles on it and got worried about towing that much weight and what might happen later. We traded it in on a 2015 F-250 with the 6.7. DH picked it out and brought it home. I HATED it. It had less payload than my F-150, felt like we were traveling in a vehicle without any shocks, the seats were uncomfortable and I just did not like it at all.

We traded it (I went this time) and purchased an F-350 DRW Crew Cab 6.7. It is a hoss. It has a much, much better ride than the F-250 and a much greater payload. Since we had a larger truck, of course, we had to purchase a larger fifth wheel.

We are now totally satisfied other than it is harder than heck to park that truck in the parking lot at Walmart without taking up 3-4 spaces.

So, yes, it's possible, but unless you have those added tow and HD package, it's not really something I would do.
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All great replies. Sounds like I'll need to stick to the 247BHDS I've been eyeing, and or upgrade my truck to a new 250/350.
Even the 250s need to be the "towing" version.
What I mean with that is I special ordered my truck to have all the towing capacity and I have 2700 lbs of payload capacity.
Many 250's on the road have less than that....
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I hauled the 09 Heartland Sundance BH with my 13 Ecoboost with max tow and my 18 KZ 38 foot toy hauler with our 16 Ecoboost with max tow.
Both had airbags installed.

I've now updated to an 18 F250 for the toy hauler.

GET RID of the P rated tires. get LT 10 Plys.

there are 1/2 towable 5vers out there.
my issue was with the 38 footer and down hill runs stopping at the bottom with engine breaking to 2nd gear most times.
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Old 04-11-2019, 12:54 PM   #11
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My Puma 253FBS is very half ton towable. Dry pin is 1025, dry weight is 7000. Loaded my pin has been 1200 to 1400 depending on whatís in it and how I place it. Weighed it has been between 8000 and 8500. With water. My TV is a 2017 F150 with HD payload (theyíre easier to find than people on here say). RAWR is 4800, GVWR is 7850, GCWR is 17,100 and payload is 2440. Iím usually 500 below my payload and RAWR. My truck is the 3.5 eco boost, 10 speed, SC with 8í box. Tows fine, more stable and way less wind sway than my 5000 loaded bumper pull. I occasionally double tow my ATV behind. I also drive 100 km/hr on divided and 90 on single lane. I get passed a lot, but I donít care. I had a 2011 but I was 100 lbs under to 60 lbs over my payload Of 1825.
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My Puma 253FBS is very half ton towable. Dry pin is 1025, dry weight is 7000. Loaded my pin has been 1200 to 1400 depending on whatís in it and how I place it. Weighed it has been between 8000 and 8500. With water. My TV is a 2017 F150 with HD payload (theyíre easier to find than people on here say). RAWR is 4800, GVWR is 7850, GCWR is 17,100 and payload is 2440. Iím usually 500 below my payload and RAWR. My truck is the 3.5 eco boost, 10 speed, SC with 8í box. Tows fine, more stable and way less wind sway than my 5000 loaded bumper pull. I occasionally double tow my ATV behind. I also drive 100 km/hr on divided and 90 on single lane. I get passed a lot, but I donít care. I had a 2011 but I was 100 lbs under to 60 lbs over my payload Of 1825.
I have a Platinum which has more weight for the bling, for sure.
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I was in the same boat as MerryKaila

I had a 2011, I spec'd and ordered a Ecoboost F-150. I ordered the max tow AND the HD package with a rating of 11,500lbs . I Put on 10 ply tires and small airbags to reduce the squat when towing and theoretically raise the weight carrying capacity . We pulled a 35' fifth wheel @ 9,000lbs for 6 years and over 30,000km in north and south USA. It did wonderfully.

We then moved to a 42' 5th wheel and I traded in for a F350 Dually XLT custom built for towing with 28,800 towing capability. (dually was only $1,000 extra.. why not for that price)

net.. it is what you feel comfortable towing. I did not feel overloaded when I towed, but I also don't tow at 70 MPH like others may
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Towing a 2010 Flagstaff 8528RLWS 5th wheel. Gross 9187, dry 6830, pin 1187. Pulling it with 2019 F150 Lariat super crew cab with 3.5 eco-boost, 3.73 gears, 10 speed trans, heavy duty payload package and max trailer tow package, 11,400 towing capacity and 2428 payload capacity. Trailer tows and stops great with this truck. No issues. Truck was factory order as I wanted the heavy duty payload package, max trailer tow package and trailer mirrors (stock mirrors or add ons are useless). It was well worth the wait. You will probably have to order as you won't see one on the lot.
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Towing with 2018 1500 gmc denali 6.2l gas gear 3:42 pulling a 2018 31' 27rlt sabre. On the scales steer axle 3480 drive axle 4220 trailer axles 8000 with a total of 15700 this is with all camping gear on board. I know the drive axel is over but pulls and stops good. I live in west texas and the wind is brutal at times but the land is flat.
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Can of worms opened.
I tow my 2011 Flagstaff Classic Ultralite 8526 RLWS with my 2013 Chevrolet Silverado Crew cab. With 5.3 liter V8 3.73 rear end. Short bed with the Pullrite 12k slider hitch.
The trailer dry weight is 6773, hitch weight is 1200. GVWR 9144.
I have been towing my 5vr for 3 years now. I have had zero issues pulling or stopping.
However I would not tow my 5vr with your truck setup. As you can see the tow police are giving you multiple options that do not include 1/2 ton trucks. Most would not be happy if asked if a Kenworth tractor would pull a 5th wheel weighing 9k.
I have noticed that Forest River is still making the Classic Ultralite in 26, 27, and 29. Their weights are heavier then ours.
We shopped for 3 years looking for the right 1/2 ton towable for our needs.
Just so no one takes my post in a wrong manner. I am not being a smart a** just stating my facts on my rig.
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In 2017, while at the Goshen Rally, I looked at a new Artic Wolf 5th wheel that is promoted as having been designed for 1/2 ton towable. I donít remember the specs, but it may be worth your time to check it out.
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This is all 100% markitecture but Im curious if anyone out here actually has a 1/2 5th Wheel. If so, which model and what are you towing it with?

My Ford F150 Platinum is GVWR is about 7000lbs, and the combined weight with cargo/passengers is 1571lbs.

I have P series tires on my truck so I know that doesnt help but curious if anyone is actually pulling a 5th wheel, or rather having the 5th wheel pull them?

The first thing you need to ask yourself before beginning this type of discussion on the forum is this: "Do I prefer empirical or theoretical evidence to base my decisions upon?" There's a significant gap in the conclusions you'll arrive at depending on which of those 2 camps you tend to be in.
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For those in the empirical camp, we've towed a FR 8528RKWS over 36,000 miles with multiple cross country trips. Our tow vehicle has 381 HP, 14" quad cylinder brakes, 4:30 rear end and a 6 speed transmission. The 5er is around 9,000 lbs loaded and we've crossed every mountain range in the country. Oops, forgot to mention it is a Tundra. (YMMV)
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For those in the empirical camp, we've towed a FR 8528RKWS over 36,000 miles with multiple cross country trips. Our tow vehicle has 381 HP, 14" quad cylinder brakes, 4:30 rear end and a 6 speed transmission. The 5er is around 9,000 lbs loaded and we've crossed every mountain range in the country. Oops, forgot to mention it is a Tundra. (YMMV)
I owned a Tundra before the truck I have now and your 5er would have put me well over my payload specs. Its even a bit too much for my 2500 once passengers and cargo are factored in.

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